Tire options for Africa Twin

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by BRITTURB, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Zave

    Zave ******

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    How any miles can I expect from the 804/805 combo ?
  2. Drum Dog

    Drum Dog Been here awhile

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    I got 4000 on mine. The front is maybe half gone and I'm watching the rear close it may make 5000.
    I've had a sick wife this summer who was depending on me so I wasn't riding to hard on them.
    80% pavement.
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  3. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    @mcmann I'll have to check and see, but I'm pretty sure this was a TL. Just didn't suit me.
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  4. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Update on the 804/805 Shinkos, after a couple of weeks and 2800 kms:

    I like the front. It's wearing well, I like how it works on gravel and paved. Need to do a bit more riding in the rain before I'd recommend it, but so far it's very promising.

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    Looking at the pics, it appears more worn than it does live.


    The rear works great on dry pavement, like the front, I'm not sure about in the wet.

    Off-road, like many have stated, it lacks lateral bite. With no offset to the knobs, it'll drive forward great, it just doesn't with any degree of turn when it's dirty.

    So, I got out the knobby knife with the regroover head, and did some work. Two lines of grooves now added, we'll see how this works out:

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    The wear profile is pretty good, there was four days of loaded travel on pavement with this.


    For my needs, it's looking the 804 front, and the Mitas E07 rear is gonna probably be a working solution.
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  5. MillennialFalcon

    MillennialFalcon Improvement starts with self

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    1000 miles on Metzler Karoo 3 front and Mefo Super Explorer rear. Dry street, fire roads, and two-track, 50/50.

    Didn't go with Karoo 3 rear because of cost * reports of low mileage/high wear. Also concerned about working with tubeless sidewall during trail-side tube R/R. Didn't want Super Explorer front because I've never like the way any tire with alternating diagonal tread blocks feels on the front, rear I have no problem with. Love this combo all the same. Super Explorer wearing well despite moderate throttle abuse. I'm thinking I'll get at least 5k out of Super Explorer rear and 7k out of Karoo 3 front.
  6. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    I had the shinko 805 rear and tkc80 front for 5000km at which point the rear was shot. The shinko rear wears fast but is cheap. I didn't want another one because of poor lateral stability as noted. Went with a mefo super explorer rear about 1000km ago. So far so good. Only drove in dry conditions on and off-road so far but I like the mefo. It was pricey though
  7. jmarleau

    jmarleau Been here awhile

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    This has been mention a few times, but I disagree. I think people look at the tread pattern of the 805 and conclude that because the center of the tire lacks vertical voids, then the tire will slip sideways. (understandable) However the design provides ample forward propulsion and provides a longer tread life when the motorcycle is vertical compared to a tire like a TKC that features wide vertical voids at mid-line. When leaned into a turn or when riding ruts, where this "lateral stability" is required, it seems to bite well. Having had both the TKC and the 805 mounted, I am very pleased with the 805 on the rear of the AT.
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  8. Inniswhe

    Inniswhe Been here awhile

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    My comments re lateral stability were based on my experiences with the 805 off road on the AT in mostly dry conditions. In the wet there was no lateral stability but I expected that in mud. So far it seems the super explorer is better in this regard ( in dry conditions) . It was very noticeable with the 805 which rather surprised me as I didn't expect it.
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  9. AZ Africa Twin

    AZ Africa Twin From the AZ High Country

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    Have the Shinkos and couldn't be more pleased with them. They slip sideways a little but over all a great tire on and off road. Have about 2,500 miles on the mostly off road and they are wearing well.

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  10. HCmoto13

    HCmoto13 n00b

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    I had heidenau K60 put on before I picked up the bike from the dealer. Then took it on 16668km trip rode down continental divide trail from Banff ab to antelope wells New Mexico. Then across to west coast and worked my way up the coast and back to Alberta. Had a good mix of off road, gravel, sand, rocks and pavement. I am very impressed with how they worked in all conditions and have held up.
    Have over 17500km on them now with surprising amount of tread left and no flats.
    The front has started cupping the last 5000km and howls on the highway around 90kmh.
    Overall it's been a great tire only wished a couple times the front had alittle more grip off road.
  11. Zave

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    Has anyone tried the Anlas Capra -X Enduro ?
  12. Swen13

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    I have the Shinko 804/805 for now 6700 miles on my Africa Twin. When you want to use them also offroad I would say that a set of them is useful up to 4500-5000 miles. After this you can still use them on pavement for 1000-2000 miles more when you are OK with a rear tire which got a bit square (feels weird in corners), and a front tire which gets a sawtooth profile from all the hard braking (rattles a bit at speeds below 5mph then).
    Right now I will still keep the Shinkos as long as possible on the bike and do one more 100% pavement trip with them. Then I will mount a set of Scorpion Rally tires which should be very good for desert riding.

    Conclusion: Beside the fact that the Shinko front tire is really bad in deep sand, it is an amazing tire for everything else. For a 50/50 tire they are really good on pavement, last long and they are super cheap.
  13. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    Yes I bought a 50/50 tire and no, I don't like the noise. The reason for 5500 miles of pavement is because I ended up riding from AZ to Boston in 4 days on the interstate. I ran three sets of the Mefo's on my old KTM 950, and they didn't howl. But Mefo changed the tread pattern on the front tire since then so that must be the difference. Probably in an attempt to make them better in mud (the old design was terrible in mud). I ride a KTM 690 as well and run full knobs on that. They are not really as noisy as the Mefo. I am not sure what to try next. But I doubt I use the AT for anything but fire roads, so I want the tires to be an uptick from the OEM Dunlops or even the Pirelli MT 60's that came on my KTM. Maybe the E07?
  14. Zave

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    I spooned on my 804's and I get a vibe at 60km h anyone else have this? I guess off they come and try centre them and rebalance
  15. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

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    I got 5600 miles out of my front with 50/50 use.The split center knobs were almost worn to carcass while the full center knobs were maby half gone.Had a E-07 in back and it worked good on hardtop but lacked in mud.The E-07 still had 1500 left on it but I replaced both with 804/805 combo.The shinko has a advantage over midas off road on rear but a little noisier on road.Not sure how long rear will last as I only have around 1000 on it.
  16. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

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    Mine run pretty smooth but can feel some of the knob rumble in rear at slower speeds.I ballance my tires with a static ballancer as I don't trust the computer ballance machines because most shops do not have them checked often.
  17. briscoelab

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    Mefo Super Explorer rear, Explorer front. Great so far.

    I did have a TKC80 on the front, but like the Explorer better for my mixed riding.
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  18. Drif10

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    At 6500 kms, this is the front tire:

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    Decent wear, some cupping, but overall I'm happy with it. It sticks well on pavement, and good on gravel. Just hasn't been any rain to speak of lately to say how it is in the wet.

    The rear. It sticks well on dry pavement. But even after siping the big blocks, still crappy side bite on gravel. This pic below is during a ride I just came home from last night, and no, it didn't make it home, I had to change it it 1k away:

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    It had 25% tread remaining when started that day (Sunday), and this was at lunch time. Fuck. Limped it to a friend's place so I could mount a very squared off pirelli to get home.

    Nope, price is right, but I ain't buying that rear tire again. It's not much cheaper than others, no value in it for me.

    The front? Yeah, I'd buy it again. It's a very good value, a lot cheaper, almost a third of the price of the Motoz, and is lasting longer.

    Think I'm gonna spoon that Motoz rear back on until the Shinko front is done, see how that combo works. Or maybe the Mitas, it's about the same wear too.

    I'll follow up later.
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  19. Yooper_Bob

    Yooper_Bob Long timer

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    I am currently running the Motoz on the rear and the Shinko up front.

    Love the Motoz rear in all conditions. The Shinko front is great on the tarmac, ok on hard packed dirt/gravel, but lacks enough bite in really loose stuff.

    I will definitely run the rear Motoz again, but I want something with a lot more knob up front.
  20. BKKPhil

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    Mitas e07 on mine. Impressed on and off road. Not so good in mud as it traps between the fender and I succumbed to front-wheel lock up. Done 5,500km and so far still looking good but a little squared of on the rear. Prefer them to the K60s which I used prior. I will be putting the Mitas e10s on next week.

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