Tire Question Cheng Shin C180/C186

Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by JeffS77, Nov 1, 2008.

  1. JeffS77

    JeffS77 cheap bastard

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,422
    Location:
    Riverside , CA
    ok now getting the ball rolling for a XS650 scrambler for my winter project(haha its so. cal. we dont really have a winter:D ) i found two tires i like. cant really find speed or weight ratings on either. was hopeing some one here may have run them before

    this is the C186 trials tire. i have run them before on older lighter two stroke dual sports and they seemed fine but never on a heavy bike at highway speed . front is 4ply rear in 6 ply. any thoughts? or has anyone done this
    [​IMG]


    Cheng shin C180
    i realy like this one. just like a dunlop K70 but about half the price. hard to find info on one website said N rated (87mph i think) fronts are 4 ply the rear is 6ply as well . anybody run these. i like the old tyle/ flat track look. deep enough tread i think they will handle fire road conditions well but i just dont want them blowing apart on the freeway
    [​IMG]




    thanks,
    Jeff

    p.s. yes i know my grammar suck
    #1
  2. gybeman

    gybeman Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Oddometer:
    639
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Cheng Shin loosely translates into Cheap Shit.

    Seriously, the only thing I'd use those for are rim protectors.
    #2
  3. James Adams

    James Adams Long timer

    Joined:
    May 29, 2006
    Oddometer:
    14,748
    Location:
    Salida
    I had a Cheng Shin tire the Nighthawk and suddenly it wobbled a lot and the tire started rubbing against the swingarm (not a ton of clearance to begin with, but the tire started out with plenty). Handling obviously rapidly deteriorated.

    I replaced it with a Dunlop D404 and the handling is far, far better. I think it boils down to the old "you get what you pay for".

    On the other hand, I've been running the same Maxxis (which is actually a Cheng Shin brand) ProMaxx tire on the front and it's lasted around 7,000 miles (the matching rear lasted about 4,000 miles) so far with plenty of tread to go.
    #3
  4. Armadillofz1

    Armadillofz1 Retarded Motardian

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2004
    Oddometer:
    771
    Location:
    Tucson, Aridzona.
    cheng shin used to be listed in the tucker/rocky (nemco for you old timers) catalog as rim savers. meaning they were only good for rolling your bike around the shop on.
    #4
  5. JeffS77

    JeffS77 cheap bastard

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,422
    Location:
    Riverside , CA
    hmm. i hear alot of mixed things about them. i ran a set on my xl500.. there barracuda street tire on the front and the himax on the rear for maybe 4,000 miles the front is in good shape the rear squared off a bit but that was do to a lot of freeway straight line riding. i think there products are ok and they may be a little hit or miss. i have even ran the C186 trials tire on a old flat track bike and they worked really well..i'm just concered on how these tire will hold up on a heavy bike. the 6 ply rear is a little reasureing but i'm afraid of over heating an allready fairly slow speed tire on a heavy bike. end results could be very very bad
    #5
  6. bpw

    bpw Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Oddometer:
    371
    Location:
    SF bay
    I run cheng shin c858 on my KLR and even ran a set on the r65 I used to have when I wanted to head into the woods. Thought they would be crap but have been quite pleased with them and just ordered my third set.
    #6
  7. motu

    motu Loose Pre Unit

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2001
    Oddometer:
    5,404
    Location:
    New Zealand
    I doubt if the Cheng Shin is going to kill you - fit for purpose and all that.But it's a budget tyre,and you will get what you pay for.The genuine Dunlop K70 is now made in Japan,and will most likely have a better compound....they are 4 ply and S speed rated in 4.00 x 18.

    They have a 100% aspect ration - wide as they are tall.A lot of people look and them and say they are square and will handle bad.They handle real well.The best tyre I've ever used in the wet - I used to look for manhole covers in the wet to get a bit of a slide going,it wouldn't slide in just a wet road without some drastic action.Very good in the gravel - and if you watch On Any Sunday you will see them working very well on dirt tracks too.

    I have just got two I'm fitting right now.
    #7
  8. England-Kev

    England-Kev Long timer

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2007
    Oddometer:
    4,454
    Location:
    England. Somewhere on the Canal.
    I can't believe all this bad mouthing of the Cheng Shin tyres, I wonder how many of the posters have actually used them? I have, I fitted them to my old T100A, they are great tyres, over here in the UK they are used by a lot of motorcycle couriers, because they last well, and have good road manners.
    I will be fitting the K70 look alike to my Road Rocket when the Speedmaster2 wears low. The only thing I have found wrong that is worth mentioning, was a corroded valve in a new inner tube I bought, so those are worth pulling just to check.

    Maxxis are also worth a look for some old style track tyres.
    #8
  9. JeffS77

    JeffS77 cheap bastard

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,422
    Location:
    Riverside , CA
    thanks for the response guy...yup i think i'm gonna bite the bullet and buy the k70 look a likes... i just cant justify spending a lot on the real k70's when i dont think they will really be all that much better then the cheng shin
    #9
  10. Cowboy

    Cowboy Ceteris non Paribus

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Oddometer:
    3,785
    Location:
    Elizabeth, Colorado
    I've used C180 on an old Honda scrambler, and they were great tires. Handled well on pavement, and in all but the loosest gravel. I never rode them in mud, so I can't offer an opinion. They wore very well, too. I have little doubt that they gave up some grip on the pavement in exchange for the long wear, but they were as grippy as I needed, and I've been known to scrape pegs on occasion.

    I've also used the C186 trials tires, and liked them well enough that I'm planning to buy another set. Though they are street-legal, they don't wear as well as the C180 on pavement, as the C186 compound is much softer. They are great as trials tires, for a not-so-serious trials rider like me, anyway.

    BTW, you can't post a thread and mention Cheng Shin tires without the haters popping up to bad-mouth them. Maybe long ago they were crappy, but that's not the case anymore. More likely, the disdain for Cheng Shin is just xenophobia.
    #10
  11. dbarale

    dbarale Squiddly slow

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,651
    Location:
    Western NC
    #11
  12. ddennis669

    ddennis669 Adventurer

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2006
    Oddometer:
    354
    Location:
    Santa Maria, California
    I have run both. The C180 on a Royal Enfield 500 Bullet and currently use the C186 on a BMW R75/6 sidecar rig.

    The C180 worked well enough as a "period correct" road tire. The Enfield, even with 535cc, bigger carb and longer duration/higher lift cams, didn't stress them on tight mountain roads. Would modern tires perform better? Probably. But then modern bike would perform better too. I assume that all out performance is not your goal.

    I am curently using the C186 trials tires (4.00x18, 3.00x19) on my sidecar bike. This combination is much heavier than your 650. I have, on three occaisions, run the sidecar from the Carrizo to Frazier Park, and then down I-5 to Griffith Park, at 70+ mph, and they have not yet exploded. :clap

    Doug "Mr. Sidecar" Bingham, of Sidestrider.com, recommended these tires stating, "Sidecars rigs chew up even the best of tires in a hurry, might as well save some money.".

    I have found them to be a little squirmy at first, due to the tall knobs flexing under the severe side loads of the BMW. They are a trials pattern after all, without the 2 ply sidewall of real trials tires, designed for traction at slow speeds. The 6 ply rating stiffens them up for rougher duty.

    I have another set ready to go, as well as a set of the C180 K70 copies. I think the K70 pattern, with less knob flex will be a better handling tire, at speed, but may not last as long for my situation.

    Just for a point of reference, one on-line vendor I checked, lists the Dunlop K70s at $56.78 for the 4.00x18, and $53.43 for the 3.25x19 ($110.21 total). They list the C180 at $41.08 for the 4.00x18, and $30.05 for the 3.25x19 ($71.15 total), and for my favorite "modern" tire, the Avon AM26 Roadrider can be purchased in 4.00x18 for $80.96 and 3.25x19 for $66.32 ($147.28). total).
    #12
  13. bomberdave

    bomberdave black cloud wandering

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2002
    Oddometer:
    1,255
    Location:
    woburn ma
    i run the cheng shins on my 53 bmw. they are totally adaquate tires. i get about 4-5k out of a rear, allmost twice that on the front. not too many tire choices for the 19 x 3.50 rims anyway. i pay 35 bucks for a tire. i dont push the bike too hard so no point in fancy tires. they are fine in the dirt and gravel as well. i understand that they wont be coming into the states anymore because the company wont renew the DOT approval on them for how few they sell here. maybe they will still come in with "offroad use only" designation.the last batch i bought had date of manufacture stamps from something like 6 weeks before i ordered them. they must have been cooling off on the boat. i love when some fool gives me grief for running the cheap tires and i point out the date stamp on his 8 year old dunlop or whatever.
    #13
  14. gybeman

    gybeman Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Oddometer:
    639
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    You trust a 6wk old date from a country thats the king of knockoffs, cheap imitations, and copyright infringment ?? Maybe that the expiry date. :rofl
    #14
  15. dduelin

    dduelin Prone To Wander, Lord, I Feel It

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,503
    Location:
    Shaft City
    Cheng Shins are Taiwanese. To you youngsters that's not the same as Red China. You see, once a upon a time there was a "good" China and a "bad" China. You have the two mixed up. The allies and particularly the US gave Taiwan alot of money for capital investment after Republic of China's leader Chiang Kai Shek allied with the west after WWII and the industrialized Taiwanese economy became one of the original Four Asian Tigers. Cheng Shins were probably better and certainly made in newer factories with better technology than US and British tires for many years. Now they are a budget tire but they fit a niche.

    Gybeman, perhaps a sailor schooled with no regard for post WWII history?

    Yes, I run a Cheng Shin on one of my bikes or why else rush to their defense. It is next to impossible to find 2.50 or 2.75 x 17 4 ply tires for my Honda noped. Michelin makes the M62 but it is only imported in the US in very small quantities once a year. The CS performs yeoman duties in this role.
    #15
  16. gybeman

    gybeman Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Oddometer:
    639
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Thanks for the history lesson dduelin, but it doesn't help fact is that its the good China that is the knockoff king. As for CS, I am probably being a bit too hard on them as they have most likely improved quite a bit since I sold them in an auto parts store as a teenager, or the CS that a friend put on the back of his 80's FZR (2yrs ago) he asked me to sell for him. I warned the new owner he should probably get rid of the new CS. I had a couple close calls on the test rides I did, and it had a few hundred miles on them to clean off the release compound. The story ends with the new owner having a low side crash that would have probably been avoided on any other quality (read more expensive) tire like Michelin or Bridgestone. Even the 10yr old Pirelli on the front had no traction probs at all. I am old enough to remember when Yokohama made tires that came on Japanese bikes, and they were shite too back then, but look whee they are now. Right now though, CS's biggest business is golf cart and wheelbarrow tires, and the biggest bike tire they make is a 140. But, there is a market for everything.
    #16
  17. bomberdave

    bomberdave black cloud wandering

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2002
    Oddometer:
    1,255
    Location:
    woburn ma
    i stand corrected.

    please disregard my thousands of miles put on these inexpensive, easily available tires. gybeman knows a guy who lowsided a FZR that had a cheng shin on the rear wheel. let us bask in the warm glow of his wisdom. i will keep caution close as i recklessly make my way to work this morning. pray for me.
    #17
  18. gybeman

    gybeman Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Oddometer:
    639
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Assuming you are going in on your 53 Bimmer with no power to go, no brakes to stop, and in a straight line.... you are good to go.
    #18
  19. bikecat

    bikecat Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2006
    Oddometer:
    1,152
    Location:
    Tropical Far East
    Generally with tyres my experience is you get what you pay for, which does not necessarily means "bad".

    I once bought a pair of Made in Malaysia Continental scooter tyres for about US$50, when a pair of European Michelins would have cost me US$100. The Contis were great for wear, i.e. did not wear easily, and conversely it meant that the wet grip was not great. Well, it suited my pockets and needs at that time. The Michelins were great in the wet, but get worn out more.
    #19
  20. motu

    motu Loose Pre Unit

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2001
    Oddometer:
    5,404
    Location:
    New Zealand
    Cheng Shin tyres work very well....however it appears there might be a problem with Cheng Shin tires.I will stick with the tried and true tyres....you guys can keep your unsafe tires in the US.
    #20