tired of my wee, what's my next bike?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by brooklyn slim, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. RMac

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  2. gplassm

    gplassm Been here awhile

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    I just bought a new 2012 V-Strom 650 Adventure. In fact, I haven't even taken delivery of it yet as the dealership is installing the OEM top case for me. I was shopping for a new bike, and I considered all of the bikes mentioned here, and more. The problem that I encountered was that I kept thinking "well, that one is just a little bit more...". I finally just threw in the towel, and figured that the new 'Strom would do all that I wanted, and more, so I bought it. The only other bike that I was seriously considering was the KTM 990 SM-T. It does everything the little 650 does, but has "that motor". The ability to snap up a 3rd gear wheelie is hard to let go of. In the end, I felt like I should grow up, and drop all pretenses of hooliganism on the street, and save my "enthusiasm" for my dirt bikes.
    Reading your post, I would suggest the KTM. I have owned a Triumph triple before, and while they are marvelous motors, I did not feel that it had significantly more "soul" than any other bike I have owned. Any bike is what you make it. A 'Guzzi Stelvio is a marvelous machine, one that you would be proud to leave behind for one of your distant offspring to find in the barn, and to think of him being told: "This was Grandpa's bike", and having him be all excited when a dusty blanket is lifted off of the machine. I really can not see that happening with a V-Strom. The KTM would be more like him finding a Ferrari under that blanket.
    For me, it came down to the SM-T, and the V-Strom. In the end, buying the V-Strom meant that I would have extra money left over to buy a new KTM EXC. I will always wonder if I made the right decision...

    BTW - I was also seriously considering the Multistrada and the Hyperstrada. The Hyper has longer service intervals than the KTM! In the end, I just didn't want a bike that I nervous to change the timing belts on (or a bike that had belts at all!).
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  3. richtidebruin

    richtidebruin Lurking since 2003..

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    I went from a 2005 Wee to a 2010 KTM 990, and found it hard to compare the 2. The KTM is so much more bike for off road, and compared to a Wee, so much more on road too. The beauty of the Wee is the low price point, reliability and the low cost of ownership. But if you can find a lowmile, late-model, used KTM, then (for me) it would be hard to justifying paying roughly the same amount for a 2012 650. There's no question the KTM speaks more to the soul.
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  4. ph0rk

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    After looking long and hard for a wee... er

    Ahem. After trying to replace my dl650, I've come to the conclusion that all I can do best-case is a direct replacement (with a newer dl650).

    You can side-grade, but you're going to have to compromise (cost, efficiency, power, nimbleness, reliability, etc). I think that will be okay for me, but maybe not for you.

    Try and figure out what areas you can accept compromise on, what aspects you want more of, then re-focus your search.

    Or, get a white 2013 dl650 and be happy.
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  5. gplassm

    gplassm Been here awhile

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    The SM-T is much more street oriented, and probably a better comparison to the Wee. My '12 650A was $8.8k. The dealership had a '12 SM-T for $14k. For me, it was a difficult decision. In the end, the combination of reliability, range, weather protection, comfort, and value drove me towards the Wee.
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  6. eakins

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    Try one. They are worth every penny/cent. It's my first "Adventure" syled bike after 15-odd sports and Super Motard bikes and was a revelation.
    I didn't want a GS, I rode one and hated it, it felt slow and ponderous. Tried a 950 Adventure, gutless.
    I realised I was still looking for sportsbike power but something a little more comfortable in my maturing years.
    A few of my mates bought Explorers. Sadly my local dealer is a wanker who I wouldn't trust to service a rock so Triumph was out of the equation.
    So without trying one (!) I bought a year old MTS1200S as I liked the look of it and it's power output, plus it was a little "left field" of the mainstream UJM Adventure bikes.
    A year on, I still absolutely love it. I covered 7000 miles on it last year, it hasn't missed a beat and the combination of handling, power and comfort would be pretty hard to beat.
    400 mile days are pretty easy (try that on a GSXR), with the luggage I can bugger off for a week and with services every 7500 miles the costs are just about bearable.
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  9. thumperpilot

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    I have a Tiger 800 rodie.



    Here it is the day I bought it in March 2011.

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    Doing some laps around the dealership before I rode it home in April.

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    On a ride in 2012.

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    It's fast, handles like a dream, and is comfortable to ride.

    I love it.

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  10. camodog

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    I just bought my new Wee today. Ya it is slow, but thats what the GSXR is for. I am ok with the power, but the stock can is just too quiet for me
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  11. TAMPAJIM

    TAMPAJIM Been here awhile

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    I have owned both the BMW f650GS twin and the Tiger 800 Roadie,

    The Triumph is far superior in my book if most of your riding is on the pavement. Turbine smooth, much better response and very broad power band. Only thing you need is a windshield from Madstad and luggage to make it a great touring bike. Downsides are that the engine has a whine and there is a bit of a heat problem in warm weather.

    The Beemer is a good bike but always seems to be working too hard after 65 mph (buzzy) and doesn't feel as stable at speed as the Tiger. Also the BMW seat feels like a vinyl covered 2x6 after half an hour so there goes another $500 in addition to a decent windshield.

    I traded the T800 for the Explorer. Very powerful, very good on the highway but heavy when not rolling. I love it but kind of miss the ligher T800
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  12. richtidebruin

    richtidebruin Lurking since 2003..

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    Curious why there is not much talk about the Super Ten in this conversation? Yes its a bit more than a 2012 DL650, but I would think it's also a lot more bike. There have been accusations of it being a bit less "adventuresome" than some of its competitors, but given 100% road use intended -- I'd think it would be in the mix. I tried the T800 roadie (the only XC the dealer had was being delivered at the time), and thought it was OK, but the riding position just didn't feel as good to me as the KTM. Just like everyone says, the engine is very nice no matter lugging or reving.... The Super Ten is on my radar for my next bike, due to the reliability and better on-road manners, along with the KTM 1190, or I'll just stick with the 990 if I can't make my mind up.
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  13. Nookie

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    I've got my wee for reliability and buell uly xt for fun. But, I think I'm taking one final trip down to Mexico this spring on the wee and when I get back I'm going to start looking at the tenere to replace it. I just want something with a more grunt and I think the dealership network and reliability is there with the yami.
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  14. brooklyn slim

    brooklyn slim nasty, brutish and tall

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    Don't know much about the Yam. I'm assuming that reliability will be good, but what's the ride like? Parallel twin=narrow, which is good. How much do you feel the weight of the bike? How much of a chore to toss it around? Torquey motor, or do you have get it spinning?

    Checked out the pix of the Yamaha panniers, which look nice. Anyone have any experience with 'em?
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  15. twinrider

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    Very low CoG so it feels like a far lighter bike lifting it off the sidestand and riding at low speeds, and very nimble in the twisties. Loads of torque from the get-go. The Yamaha panniers have a pretty good rep. The biggest knock against them is that they are a bit small for two-up camping, and that if you crash hard the nylon mount on the back can break.
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  16. LoneTraveler

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    I'd vote for the Super Ténéré too. Still thinking of buying one myself, since it's an incredibly well-sorted package right out of the box. If you're not doing crazy technical off-roading, this should work very well as an adventure tourer and commuter with a bare minimum of upgrades, if any.
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  17. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    You may not like :-
    1, the handlebars which are quite straight and twist the wrist.
    2, the screen is a bit small if you're a bit big.
    3, the suspension could do with a bit tuning as it can be a bit bouncy if your going for it.
    That's it really.

    You considered the Stelvio. You may not like the hammering vibration through the bars. Vibration White Finger is a real possibility.

    As always on this sort of thread you get plenty of people saying that you NEED a 1200cc monster. Well you don't. Those of us who can remember the 70s & 80s got by perfectly well with "powerful" 750s with 65bhp.

    As some have suggested, get test rides on all the bikes you're considering. I think you'll like the Triumph. I always say that once you've been "tripled" you won't look back.
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  18. ph0rk

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    Assuming the OP hasn't moved on anything yet, he or she posted:

    I didn't see anything about dirt in there, or round the world dreaming. That's okay - is this thread in beasts mostly because thats where stroms get talked about? You'd likely get an entirely different set of responses in road warriors, some may even be better suited to your wants and needs.

    For myself, I am probably moving from a wee strom to something like a R1200R, a moto guzzi griso, a CB1100, etc. I don't need off road in the slightest and these can handle gravel just fine. They don't get mentioned much in this corner of advrider, though.

    If a 90 degree knee bend is what you're after, you might have to go for a tall adventure bike, but if a sharper angle is okay, there are plenty of non-beasts out there that fit the bill.
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  19. Domromer

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    I never got the whole boring bike thing. All my bikes have been as exciting as I care to ride them.
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  20. brooklyn slim

    brooklyn slim nasty, brutish and tall

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    Bingo. I've always ridden street bikes until I got the Strom, which I bought for the riding position, among other reasons. Until I swap out my knees for an artificial pair, I'm just more comfortable on a taller bike. This raises the COG issues, though, so I'm looking for a happy medium of comfort for a tall guy and well-balanced handling.

    So, I'm looking in "Beasts" for ergonomics, not b/c I ride off-road.
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