Top box interferes with emergency braking technique?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Capt_Aubrey, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. Capt_Aubrey

    Capt_Aubrey Been here awhile

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    KLR 650 with an Action Packer top box mounted on stock rear luggage rack (yeah, I'm a cheap s.o.b.).

    I was trained to make emergency stops by using modest amounts of rear brake (just enough to keep the bike tracking in a straight line), getting my butt up out of the saddle and back as far as possible, and smoothly/quickly applying as much front brake as possible. Moving my body of the saddle and rearward moves the center of gravity of the bike/rider back, unweighting the front wheel, which means you can apply more front brake with reduced risk of a stoppie or endo.

    I was out running some errands and came across an empty parking lot (strip mall under development), so I turned in for a little practice. The parking lot was big enough to get up to about 30 mph in a straight line and then hit the brakes hard. Scared the hell out of me. That top box made it nearly impossible to brake hard with any confidence.

    Tempted to take the damned thing off. Yes, it makes things convenient from time to time, but I'm not sure it's worth compromising on safety.

    Thoughts?
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  2. garfey

    garfey Scruffy Adventurer

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    But reducing front brake effectiveness markedly and making it much more likely to lock up? Since the front brake does XX% of the braking (pick a number, they're all "out there," somewhere), a lot more than the rear, what's the point?

    You should ask for your money back from whoever "trained" you. Your technique is near guaranteed to turn a non-emergency into one.
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  3. fonztheyeti

    fonztheyeti king of all i survey

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    add "on pavement" to that and i agree.
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  4. PT Rider

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    Doesn't this take time that could have been spent getting the front brake on sooner? And how do you modulate the rear brake while moving around on the pegs getting into your position? Try more brake effort on the rear to begin and reduce it as weight is transferred forward.
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  5. Tepi

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    Keep your ass planted in the saddle.
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    What he said. Re-learn to do emergency braking. What you discribe sounds like a good way to a bad ending.

    Cheers.
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  7. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Not in the clique...

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    If you ever get a stoppie or endo, on a KLR, be sure to share what brand of brakes/brake lines you use, in the KLR650 Thread. Some folks have been searching for a really good set of brakes, for quite awhile.

    Also...I would have to agree with garfey...go get a refund.


    EDIT- For those who caught it, did someone quote it before it got nuked? (If you read it, you know what I'm posting about.) I sometimes question (when reading some posts) whether some of these folks have ever actually layed eyes on a motorcycle...


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  8. duck

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    laid

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  9. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Not in the clique...

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    Back to the Basement!...no soup for you! :flush :lol3


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  10. RustyStuff

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    That is the one of the worst techniques I have ever heard for Emergency Brakeing a Motorcycle.

    You wan't weight to transfer forwards, that allows you to brake the front even harder without loseing traction.
    The way your doing it, the front will lock and skid if your really trying to stop quick.
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  11. Tepi

    Tepi Been here awhile

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    Maybe that instructor was teaching how to "lay her down"?



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  12. perterra

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    This!

    Honestly in the few times I have had an oh shit moment, there wasnt time to do anything but haul in on the brakes, no moving around no nothing.
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  13. melville

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    Hanging back off the saddle is a mountain bike technique for braking on a steep slope. Bicycles tend to be a bit more endo-prone than motos. Has OP confused pedal bikes with his KLR? Perhaps because most bicycles cost more?
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    And accelerate faster.
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    I didn't want to rub it in.
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    ...and have better brakes.


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  17. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Lol, nice.

    In the KLR world there are also a lot of folks that fear front end dive on braking. I'll admit that I also bought into this conventional wisdom, until I learned more about the physics of braking.
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    Speed and handling ain't where it's at for us KLR pilots, neither is trying to look cool at the coffee shop while exuding the essence of a world traveler, if that was what we wanted we would be on BMW's, also we don't want to spend all our time wrenching, thats for the KTM drivers. Onliest things we KLR riders tjink about is saving money and babes, Trust me, you roll up to a bar on a army green KLR covered in mud with a laundry basket on back, women climb all over your ass. Just ask any rider of a Killer, we got personality in spades.:D
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    :lol3:lol3:lol3:lol3
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