Total Control Training is Pennsylvania's new official state program manager

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by OfirMX, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. OfirMX

    OfirMX Sierras' Gatekeeper

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    From the man himself:

    "I’m thrilled to announce that Total Control Training, Inc. has been awarded the PA Motorcycle Safety Program contract for 2018. The five-year, $31 million program management contract is the largest of its kind in the nation. All of us at Total Control are both humbled and excited about the opportunity to add PA to our CA, military and civilian training portfolio. We have been amazed at the quality and attitude of the PA training community and look forward to working with them as we transition the state to our Total Control curricula for beginner, intermediate, advanced, 3 wheel and more.

    - Lee Parks"​


    Congrats team!
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  2. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Wow, that broke easy

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    Amazing news, especially when you consider that all levels of the PA MSP courses are free for any PA Residents or active duty military (as long as you have a permit or motorcycle license).
    My daughter was planning to take the Basic class in the spring.
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  3. Jim Moore

    Jim Moore The Real Deal

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    Who did the training in PA before? The MSF?
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  4. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen

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    Da frozen tundra eh? 1.5 mile west of Lambeau
    That makes both California and Pennsylvania as two states to go with Total Control instead of the MSF program.
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    Bar None Old School Dude

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    It will be interesting to see how any of this is reflected in changes to curicula, and or crash data for those states.
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  7. OfirMX

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    The current curricula will be completely replaced with the Total Control Basic, Intermediate and Advanced riding clinics — just like it was in California three years ago.
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  8. VX Rider

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    I think you missed the question.

    That being if losing states will cause the MSF to alter their curicula?
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  9. OfirMX

    OfirMX Sierras' Gatekeeper

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    Gotcha.
    And I certainly don't know the answer to that.
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  10. ZumWohl

    ZumWohl I got this round

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    One of the reasons I dropped out as a PA MSF instructor was because of MSF's 'refreshed' curriculum; the recently revised classroom training was not as effective as the previous version, IMO, and I couldn't buy into it. I really believed and was committed to motorcycle training, but the revamp went in the wrong direction, again IMO.

    I'm very glad to hear Total Control won the contract. PA seems like it is very dedicated to motorcycle safety, and I hope it continues to be free to residents!

    Regards - Don
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  11. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen

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    Wait, you're saying the BRCu classroom, after the e-course, with the emphasis on rider responsibility, visual control, situational awareness and riding choices in various traffic conditions is not as good as the older classroom version "this is how to put on a helmet", "this how to mount a bike", this is the shift pattern, etc. This is finally what the BRC classroom should have always been. But the range exercises could be much improved.
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  12. Turtletownman

    Turtletownman Been here awhile

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    Florida requires a class for anyone getting motorcycle endorsement for the first time. A veteran unable to ride a two wheel bike was unable to get a license to ride a sidecar or trke. MSF is adamant three wheels are not a part of their idea of motorcycle training. Florida added three wheels STEP classes. I don't know what program is used for two wheels.
    Having taken several MSF courses over the years, I found them to be inconsistent as to actual instruction. Many of the instructors seemed to lack any riding experience but had been well versed in yelling "Look around the turn," and "Look up." At one point riding into the low afternoon sun, I dropped my head so the top of my helmet blocked the sun and was chewed out for not looking where I was going. The instructor had obviously never ridden into a setting sun.
    In one class a rider in front of me hit a cone every time he went through the weave. He passed. For fun I chased the cones across the parking lot which didn't make the instructor happy. One course after a long speech about using the rear brake when stopping, the demonstration rider did a stoppie. He asked, "How high?" We both laughed.
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  13. drtyrrel

    drtyrrel "don't look down"

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    I like the new classroom a lot better than the old one. Assigning questions to different groups then waiting until they read the book and answered the question was boring for both the coaches and the students. The new classroom can be finished in 3 hrs and allows you to spend more time on the range riding. MSF used to do the training in PA.
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  14. Jim Moore

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    FL now has a three-wheel BRC. In fact, our school is teaching it for free with a grant from Can Am. PM me if you want info.
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    I don't recall any of that being part of the previous classroom instruction, but to me it had a better "flow" than what replaced it.

    I do agree that the range exercises need work.
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    The old BRC and MSF MRC both included the current BRCu E-course as almost the entire first night, and part of the 2nd day of classroom activities for the six hours of classroom time. That was all part of the BRC classroom until the E-course became the new norm. Now that the E-course covers all the basics of why to wear a helmet, how to put on a helmet, how to mount the motorcycle, how to choose riding gear, how the shift pattern works, etc, etc, the BRCu classroom actually focuses on rider issues. But I feel the BRCu range activities lightened up on requiring more of the students, especially for the Skills Evaluations. The Skills Evals were simplified, while reducing the max number of total points to fail from 20 down to 16. In a way, that does make sense in that if a new rider cannot pass the easier Skills Evals then that person likely should not be riding.

    In the old BRC and previous MSF MRC we even used to have a classroom "exercise" of all the students standing up, turning their chair around, the using the chair to go through the sequence to "mount the motorcycle". I like that the E-course puts that all on the student as a study completion prerequisite before coming into class to prepare for the first day of riding.
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  17. max384

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    That's great news! I try to always take an MSF course every year (silly not to, since it's free here), though, admittedly, I missed the last two years due to work. I'll definitely be signing up for one in 2018 now!
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  18. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Wow, that broke easy

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    The PA Motorcycle Safety Program (PAMSP) has not been run (directly) by MSF since 2014. They may have still used MSF materials, but the contract organization providing the training since 2014 was Cape Fox Professional Services. That is the contract that Total Control is taking over.
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    California had a huge increase in fatalities between 2015 and 2016. up from 494 to 548 in one year. This is the second highest number of fatalities in CA in the last 10 years and climbed from a low of 394 in 2009 to 548 in 2016. Not a good trend.
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    So will all levels of Total Control Training classes also be free in PA? Free ARC classes would be great if they actually offer them.
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