Track Dutch diesel bike (merged) threadfest...

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by FlyingMachine, Mar 5, 2004.

  1. beautiful freak

    beautiful freak Yellow Adventure rider

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    Hi Nick,

    I believe Trackie has the first production model and he's over 30kkm now with his Track. So that's around 20k miles.

    @Ray: nice pictures, I can see some evolution between mine (around number 25) and these models (don's now what number they have, I lost Track:rofl).

    Greetings, Tom.
  2. Trackie

    Trackie Adventurer

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    My total mileage is now a little over 33k km.
    The new belt now has 4000 km on it and still is in very good condition.
    Only small signs of use.

    The bike as a whole feels very composed, i just love it.
  3. ultrarnr

    ultrarnr Adventurer

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    Just wondering if any of you who own these bikes have changed the CVT belt yourself and if so how hard is it to do.

    Thanks.
  4. beautiful freak

    beautiful freak Yellow Adventure rider

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    Hi,

    I did a belt change with some help from Erik (Track HQ CEO or whatever you want to call him :D ) just before I left for my Iceland trip last summer and it took me less than an hour. With the proper tools and preparation any mechanic should be able to do it in half the time (no time for a break than). But I'm a bit rusty because I don't do much repairing of modification lately.

    Greetings, Tom.
  5. Bert Track

    Bert Track Adventurer

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  6. Coachgeo

    Coachgeo Diesel Adventurer

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    Read something about TRACK putting some bikes in the Baja 1000 but only found that ref. in one place so not sure if it happend (or just not happened yet)
  7. panhead_dan

    panhead_dan motorcycle addict

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    I don't know how I missed this thread last year but thanks for digging it up!

    A light, simple, torquey D/S with not a lot of electronic crap on it. It runs forever on a tank of fuel and the engine will last at least twice as long as anything else out there. I'll bet it will run on used cooking oil!
    This one has my interest....
  8. Rotten Ronnie

    Rotten Ronnie Crash

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    I'm in love with the concept, and hopefully one day might be able to afford to add a bike like this to my stable. Well done!
  9. Trackie

    Trackie Adventurer

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    A short update: this week i passed the 40,000 km. After 11,000 km the new CVT belt still looks very good with very little signs of wear. I'm convinced i can do at least another 10k with it.
  10. tattewell

    tattewell Mad Poser

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    Any news on this beast comin to North America?
  11. Trackie

    Trackie Adventurer

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    I believe there is a Canadian importer who also takes care of USA. Link just 2 pages back but copied here for your Instant Satisfaction: www.trackdiesel.ca
  12. Two Plugs

    Two Plugs Long timer

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    I'm interested in the costs of maintenance based on private ownership. Living apr a good 3 hours drive from the factory, and knowing the maintenance & service will be done at your doorstep or at the place where you work, it will cost a fortune in labour to get to- and from my place without tightning even one bolt... Unless your bike is on a lease contract which would make it less interesting for private ownership...

    Could you share some information on those aspects? Would be appreciated. Replacement of the CVT belt every 16.000 km / 10.000 miles doesn't sound cheap either... despite the (very) good fuel economy.
  13. Trackie

    Trackie Adventurer

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    Well, it's been 2 years and one day since i got my Track. Total milage in that time: 41,637 km, without major breakdowns due to failure of components and normal use. I'd like to thank Erik for making this great machine and offering me the opportunity to be the first person to get one.

    I have no regrets whatsoever. Compared to my car it saves me about 200 euro/month and over 100 euro/month compared to my Africa Twin. I have to add that diesel is subsidized by the Dutch government so it's roughly 25 to 30 cents/liter cheaper than regular gasoline so savings in other countries will be less.

    With regards to Two Plugs' question about cost of ownership: mine are skewed (in a positive way) because my Track is the first one sold to an end customer and therefore they kept a close eye on it. Consequently i have received updates, checkups and some maintenance free of charge.

    I do know that a new belt costs about 100 euro. Compared to a new Honda original chain/sprocket set (~200 euro) and the hassle of changing the chain myself i'd say i'm better off with the belt. A Honda set would last me 10k km without a Scott Oiler and 20k km with. The belt i have on it right now has over 12k km on it and looks good enough for at least another 12k. If one is mechanically inclined one can change the belt oneself, other standard maintenance is ofcourse also DIY possible. Also a belt is far easier and lighter to pack and lug around.

    How long the belt lasts is for a large part dependent on how heavy handed one is when accelerating from standstill. I usually get it rolling first and then open up more, especially after a days' or nights' standstill. Suddenly throwing 100 Nm of torque at parts that are cold and not moving or turning is never a good idea. The bike is also pretty easy on the wear of rear tire because of the characteristics of the transmission system (it lays on the power instead of just letting it all loose at once) and my chosen my way of accelerating.

    As to my use: i mostly commute on it (about 2000 km/month) so normally it is not heavily stressed. Also doing long vacation trips on it is a pleasure, mostly because it wears me out a lot slower than the AT. For me it's pretty much ideal.
  14. Olirider

    Olirider Been here awhile

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    Trackie, Thanks for the report as the 1rst owner.
    Could you tell us what was your average mileage (liter per 100 km) during these 41000 km ?
  15. Two Plugs

    Two Plugs Long timer

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    Thnx for the update, Trackie. Appreciated.

    Regarding the chain... If you use an Honda Original within 10.000 km / 20.000 with scotty on a Africa Twin (which has the same poweroutput as the Track 800, only with far less torque) your belt won't last for 10.000 km either.

    You are right, the CVT belt is about 100€ / 15.000 km. And a chain / sprockets for (f.e.) my Varadero is about 200€, incl labour. But that last for at least 30.000 km (without a scottie but with a MOTUL chainlube spraycan ;) ); so in fact, that's the same price per kilometer... :D

    Erik Vegt is indeed a very skilled engeneer which you can tell on the way the Track is put together. No expensives are saved on materials and parts and the bike looks if it is carved out of a solid rock.

    But keep us posted. Looking forward to read more stuff about the running costs.
  16. Bert Track

    Bert Track Adventurer

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    After almost 5000km the rear tire shows still no sign of wear. I think possibly the little wear on that can be added to the benefit.

    I took the liberty to make a small recording of the cvt belt in action. Secundairy side only. And limited speed since i was just testing the angle if it was any good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3YPLvHEuXY
  17. Trackie

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    Next weekend (June 1st/3rd) is the Big Knock Diesel Motorcycle Rally in UK. Erik and me will be there on June 2nd and part of the 3rd. If you would like to get more hands on information you are welcome to come over and have a chat and such.

    http://www.dieselbike.net/Rally-Info/rally.htm
  18. Andrew

    Andrew Optimus Primer Super Moderator

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    :clap That looks like a right proper campout and rally. Cheers... :freaky
  19. hankgs

    hankgs Long timer

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  20. rotten

    rotten LOST AGAIN

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    Another Track thread... Few of these in advrider.