Trail Tech Voyager - Interesting GPS Speedo!

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by Yellow Pig, Oct 22, 2010.

  1. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    There is NO base map in the Voyager. When you turn it on the first time, the map screen is indeed empty. You cannot load Garmin-style maps into the Voyager. The only thing you can load are files that contain LINES. These lines may represent streets, roads, trails, tracks. You make the file containing lines using other resources, like openstreetmaps - converting streets to lines and then load them into the Voyager. In use, tracks you make while riding are shown as black lines.

    You can download the Voyager User manual from the TrailTech web site.

    You will be suprised at how limited the unit really is.

    OTOH, YOU control what is on the display and for some, that is all that they require. Being able to make maps (as gray lines) is all that some riders want - they see all the other info as clutter.
  2. Zecatfish

    Zecatfish XTique Rider

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    I guess I was wrong there, thanks for clearing it up.
    Hmm, wonder if you can get enough datum in it from OSM data files to make at least your area you wanted to ride show the roads there. :ear
  3. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    Yes you can. It just takes time. Check out the TrailTech Voyager youtube video collection; one of them shows how they made a block of city streets...

    The videos are mentioned on the TrailTech web site, Voyager pages.
  4. Jon_PDX

    Jon_PDX Long timer

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    Well bummer........

    That, along with no tach, kills the Voyager unit for me. I had a Vapor in the past and when I came across the Voyager I was really excited because I was hoping it would be a Vapor with at least a basic GPS built in. But without even basic street maps (including updates) my iPhone makes a better GPS.

    To bad really because it would have been nice to have it all in one package instead of having to mount multiple devices in the limited space on my bike.

    EDIT: Correction.....there is a tach display (see pages #7 and #24 in the manual).

    With that said, the Voyager does have some features that my 60C and Zumo do not have and is a good first attempt at a new product. So I have to give TrailTech credit for what they put together.

    Hopefully over time it will evolve into something that I can't live without.:D

    Jon...
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    Jon_PDX Long timer

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    Interesting because I did not come across that video.

    Even though I have decided to pass on the Voyager at this time, it would probably be helpful if you could post a link to that video for others to watch.

    Thanks,

    Jon...
  6. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    On this page:
    http://trailtech.net/voyager.html
    Scroll down to Videos section and click:
    Routes and Tracks
    YouTube Demo

    See this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdFeVCe6UGg

    Trail Tech Voyager Moto-GPS. This demonstration tutorial shows how to follow along a route while recording a track. Specifically: copy a GPX file onto a MicroSD card, import it into Voyager, start logging a track, follow along the gray route lines while logging a black track line, then stop logging and export the track to the MicroSD card as a GPX file.


    You have to pay attention to the notes shown as text in the video. They note in the video that the streets have been recorded in OSM and imported via a GPX file.
  7. Jon_PDX

    Jon_PDX Long timer

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    Oh ok, I had watched that video but until just watching again I did not realize all the gray lines (that look like a street map) were a route that had been imported.

    That sure looks like a lot of work to first create a route that covers all the streets/roads in the area you want to ride and then import it so you have a street map.

    Did I get that correct or totally miss the point?

    Jon...
  8. Johnf3

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    Voyager absolutely has a tach function. I own one, btw. Also, for me, there is no way an iphone is a better GPS. The Voyager is designed to easily import and export .gpx files so you can record or download rides. An iphone gps can't handle tracks and track logging as cleanly as the Voyager. It may have only basic GPS functions, but for what it is designed for the Voyager works really well.

    If I need maps and pleasantly spoken directions, I can borrow my wife's nuvi...
  9. Jon_PDX

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    John,

    I stand corrected.....

    Since the tach function was not listed on the TrailTech Voyager page and I did not come across any screen shots showing a tach even in the user manual I assumed (Oops.....) it did not have that feature. Doing a search in the user manual .pdf document did list a tach on pages #7 and #24.

    My point about the iPhone 3Gs GPS functions, with the free app I have, was more about the maps I get. In fact it actually helped me locate myself in the woods quicker than my Garmin 60C did awhile back. Yes I was surprised by that also.

    And I do agree with you comment "....what it is designed for the Voyager works really well."

    It has a lot of good features (see pg. 24 in the manual) that are nice to have all in one package taking up a small space on the bike. I was just disapointed that the GPS does not have more of the basic features most GPS users are used to getting even on the low $$$ units.

    I'll edit my original post to state it does have a tach.

    Jon...
  10. Johnf3

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    Right, but the low dollar off the shelf units don't have many things the Voyager has either. A real speedometer/odo tied to wheel speed (which is resettable up and down), engine coolant temperature (and temp logging), a tach, a permanent hour meter, etc. It has a compass, records and stores waypoints--basically has everything you need to at least make sure you can get back to where you started from. It also has huge track point capacity (70,000 points) and nearly unlimited storage with the included SD card.

    I understand maps are nice, but I carry paper maps if I am in an area I am not familiar with too. Trying to use the maps on a tiny GPS screen, where you have to zoom in to two tenths to even see all the forest roads is a excercise in futility sometimes too.

    The Voyager is not the answer for everyone, and as already noted, not going to be a "primary" unit for a lot of folks. However, to replace a dirt bike computer (for not much more $$) I think it is by far the best thing out there right now.
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    I agree with everything you said in your last post John.

    I think (hope) that anyone reading our discussion will also see the Voyager does have a lot of good features. In fact, now that I have had time to think more about the overall package, instead of being hung up on the things I felt were lacking from the GPS function of the unit, the more value I see in the Voyager over the Vapor.

    So I've decided I will take the 30 min drive over to TrailTech and check one out in person.

    Thanks,

    Jon...
  12. tmotten

    tmotten Lefthand ride Dutchy

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    Me agree to.

    With the overall odometer, can I enter the initial odometer reading on my OEM odometer? I'm talking about the one on the OEM gear you can't reset.

    Also, does this info get stored on temp memory or permanent memory? Just wondering if I'll loose the odometer info when it's not plugged into internal or 12v power. Unlike some users that like to turn back the clock I like to keep the info for maintenance purposes. It's unlikely I'll ever sell the bike I'm planning on getting it for.
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    I'm at work on my phone so please excuse any typos.

    I called and asked about being able to set the odo on the Voyager to match the current mileage on my bike like I did with the Vapor and was informed it could not be done. Something about bikes being required to have a permanent odo if they are licensed.

    Correction: I was mis-informed. See my updated post below...sorry.

    Regarding will it remember the total mileage even if power is lost. Yes it does.

    Jon...
  14. Johnf3

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    Yes it can be done, but you would have to send it in to TrailTech. It requires a password to get into the operating system.
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    Well it appears I have been sticking my foot in my mouth all week.....Oops.

    I just called and spoke to Garridan and he confirmed that YES it can be done and he is going to let the other person I spoke with yesterday know in case that person gets another call asking about it.

    In fact, unless I did not understand correctly, it's not just the main ODO but even the hour/run time settings can be configured to reflect the correct data.

    I also asked some more questions about the GPS and he said they would love to have all the other features that I and a few others would like. But since the Voyager was originally designed to be a "Trail" GPS and not an "Adventure" GPS they first want to get any bugs worked out in it before going on to the next step.

    Which, if their tech's get their way, would be to have one geared more towards adventure riding.

    For sure I will be going up to see one in person and play with it.

    Jon...
  16. crazybrother

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    Has anyone been able to convert any TOPO maps to work on the Voyager yet?
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    Seems to be a lot of confusion related to display of a map in these units.
    I am by no means a experienced user, but here is what I can figure out:

    The unit will record tracks (where you've been) and tracks (yours or someone else's) can be loaded as routes (or tracks). You can follow a previous track, but there will be no surrounding data.

    Waypoints can be uploaded, created at your current position, or at a point picked on the screen, or defined by Lat and Long.

    A map can be created and uploaded, in a very crude fashion.
    In order to do this, waypoints are created along the linework on a desktop mapping utility. This linework can be roads, rivers, contours, boundaries etc, whatever is displayed at the time.
    These waypoints can be uploaded to the voyager, and it draws linework between the (ordered) waypoints on the unit. There will be no road names or differentiation between different type entities.
    The largest map I was able to create was about 10 x 5 miles in a low density (rural) area.

    So to answer your question - topo... forgitaboutit.

    But in defense of the unit:
    It is a great m/c dash. It has:

    All the distance/time/speed functions
    Ambient and engine temp
    Bike and unit battery voltage (I like!)
    Tachometer
    It has a chunky feel to it and the display (B+W) is hi-res.

    I fairly sure that Trailtech, or other users, will soon be writing more code for this unit....we'll see.
  18. samaki

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    I have a Voyager on my 400EXC that I installed in place of my Vapor. I have found this to be a fantastic little device for what I need. It records and displays an incredible amount of data in a very user friendly fashion, and is easy to use even while wearing gloves. You can go online and download road maps to the provided software, edit them and upload them into the GPS. I find this very useful for what I do, which is riding unmapped, unmarked trails in very hilly remote country. I use the downloaded roads for reference so I know where I am in relation to highways and country roads, and the bread crumbs laid down during my ride for building a data base for the trails I ride and also to know where I am am how to get out should I get lost. I have found that even if I could download topo maps I would choose not to for several reasons. Firstly they would clutter the display and obscure my tracks. Secondly it would not affect where I chose as my route because I just follow the trails anyway regardless of the topo features ahead; if it is passable I go. Thirdly, it would use up storage space.

    I think Trail Tech nailed it with the Voyager. I have tried carrying hand helds but had a horrible time getting service when I needed it. The Voyager locks on to signals and stays connected for the duration of the ride. Don't be afraid to get this unit if you are going to be using it as I have indicated above. I thought I might want to retain my Vapor for some of the information it provided and because I was accustomed to it, but it would be totally redundant to do so.
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    samaki Hakuna Matatizo

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    Rocky Mountain ATV has the Voyager for sale for $251. Using a coupon code that you can get online you can get a $20 bonus credit to your account for your next purchase, making the total cost including shipping $231.
  20. crazybrother

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    That's where I got mine:evil Plus free shipping and no tax:clap