tranferring google maps route into garmin?

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by sonic578, Mar 21, 2011.

  1. munsonbw

    munsonbw Been here awhile

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    This thread has been very informative as I wait for my Zumo 660 to arrive. My question is if I create a route with any of the various methods described here, say with dualsportmaps.com, will the route have enough points on it to prevent the auto recalculating I hear ruins your routes while on the road? I only have a few days to use the 660 before heading of on a trip and would like to get a couple of routes loaded up to try before the trip.

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  2. sonic578

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    The 660 has some nice features that I was recently working through. Here are a few notes I made for myself. Hope these are helpful. To your specific question about tracks (see 3.3 below), they can be imported as routes (which are recalculated on your zumo), or, as tracks which come in exactly as they were which is a sequence of points. Your choice.

    Basecamp:

    1. Folders can contain "Lists" - lists are what can be sent to the device
    2. Beta 4.x supports deleting items from the device
    3. When you send a LIST to the device that contains routes, waypoints and tracks, the following show where those items end up:
      1. WAYPOINTS end up in 2 places:
        1. WHERE TO > FAVORITES (heart): WAYPOINTS show up under the name of the LIST in BASECAMP; this is in the GPS device
        2. TOOLS > MY DATA > IMPORT DATA > FAVORITES: list of all WAYPOINTS ready for import, 1 at a time or all at once; no list name used (SD card)
      2. ROUTES only go to 1 place:
        1. TOOLS > MY DATA > IMPORT DATA > ROUTES: list of all ROUTES that were in BASECAMP LIST, ready for import into device (SD card)
      3. TRACKS show up on SD card in 2 places, ready for import:
        1. TOOLS > MY DATA > IMPORT DATA > TRIP LOGS: tracks imported from here will become routes, which are calculated upon import and end up in CUSTOM ROUTES.
          CUSTOM ROUTES appear under TOOLS and under WHERE TO. You can navigate on a ROUTE with the GO menu, which shows up in either case.
        2. TOOLS > MY DATA > IMPORT DATA >OFF ROAD TRACKS: tracks imported from here will show up as tracks in the following location: TOOLS > OFF ROAD TRACKS
          Because it is a TRACK under TOOLS, you cannot navigate to it. You can show it on the map, and maybe watch your location, but cannot navigate.
    4. Menu structure:

      TOOLS > MY DATA > IMPORT DATA
      1. FAVORITES - contains all waypoints that were in the list, without the list name
      2. ROUTES - contains routes from the list
      3. TRIP LOGS - contains tracks from the list (see also #4 below), which will import as ROUTES into CUSTOM ROUTES under TOOLS and under WHERE TO
      4. OFF ROAD TRACKS - contains same list of tracks as #3, which will import as TRACKS into TOOLS > OFF ROAD TRACKS
      5. PICTURES
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  3. munsonbw

    munsonbw Been here awhile

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    Thanks, Sonic578.

    If I understand your outline correctly, 3.3.1 is what I am looking to do, but will the 660 still recalculate the track that is converted to a route or will it leave it as is?

    I have been reading about messing with outside software and websites and it seems to me you still need to use basecamp to add additional waypoints to a route created with google to be sure it does not route you around the back roads you picked and onto highways. But, If I am understanding your method this may not be true?

    This will all likely make more sense when I play with it...

    Thanks,
    Ben
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    Ben,
    In 3.3.1 you are starting with a track, so when you import the process of converting to a route will involve recalculating. Actually, maybe a better term here is "calculating" since the track is only a series of points, not a route.

    The place where REcalculating can occur is in step 3.2.1. If you have a route that was created in Basecamp, but your GPS device map is a different version from what is in Basecamp, then your device will want to recalculate when you import. Which is why it is a good idea, when updating maps, to choose the option to install the new map on both the PC and the gps device.

    And yes, playing around when you get the 660 is the best way to sort this out. As you see, I'm still working through it. Good luck!
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    I spent a bunch of time last night using google maps, converting them to gpx files with the website takitwithme. I thought I had success. The route came into basecamp and I saw a ton of points on the route that appeared to keep it from wanting to re-reoute. Then tried to upload it to the 660. FAIL. Too many via points. Speaking of that why does garmin call it a via point on the unit and waypoints in basecamp? Anyway, I could see I had a lot of points and am not surprised it failed. I am surprised that none of the threads here mention about too many points with the google way. I thought it would be easy smeasy.

    Will I get different results with a track? That is one thing I am not sure I did. It was late and I was mad. I did use Takitwithme to make a track gpx then imported it to the garmin, but same viapoints error. I am trying to map out about 6 hours of riding, but did try a smaller route that was only a hour with the same failure.

    I tried to use basecamp and what a mess that thing is. The tutorials paint the picture as just click and make a route. OK if you know exactly where you want to go and you do it just right. I ended up with the thing wanting to take different roads than I picked, then when I tried to add shaping points it made loops and backtracks. For me I am going to a new place and wanted to enter a start and end point then drag the route to modify it... just like google. Why is that so hard?

    Help!
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    Quit stealing my thunder damit ... that's my line! :lol3

    Oh ... sorry ... uh seriously ... I don't know why it's so hard.... :cry
    Seems like the program could be "google-map-like" and then be smart enough to sprinkle in a few extra waypoints on it's own at intersections and so-on to avoid re-calc. issues if you checked the little option box that said:

    "don't dick with this route - I want to go from A to B along the path that's displayed HERE"

    Ok ... mini-rant complete ... off to work....................
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    Exactly. I have read it here many, many times. Garmin makes a "motorcycle GPS" designed with bikers in mind, blah blah blah. When you go to use it you find that the #1 reason, yes the single reason I bought the thing, is nearly impossible to accomplish without using external websites and infinite work-arounds. Nice.
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    Pedro:

    Wow ... looks slick, I need to load the new version of basecamp and try it.
    If you have tried this, I have a question:

    If you go "off-route" by taking a wrong turn or whatever, what happens?

    Does it steer you back to the programmed route ...
    or does it recalculate and plot a new course to your destination...
    or does it pull some other tricke and something else... :lol3
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    Just tried it out - great utility, thanks!
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  12. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    I have come to the conclusion that I am too stupid to try to use a 60CSx for anything but a paperweight. I tried to create a route in BaseCamp, to a place I don't know how to get to, which is why I bought a GPS, and it hands me a pencil and tells me to draw a route to the place I don't know how to get to.
    FML. The HD tool works a lot better, but can anybody tell me how to search for, find, mark a location and then have the GPS route me to it, in BaseCamp? And yes, I watched the tutorial, It told me to draw the route to the place I don't know how to get to.
    Feeling technophobic about now. I can get lost with paper maps a lot cheaper.
    I tried the above map conversion, but I can't even figure out how to make a Google Map to import. There's my route, all pretty, but when I cut n paste the link it says that its not a GPS map.

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  13. JRWooden

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    Has anyone tried Microsoft Streets & Trips?
    It's only about $30 and has some nice route planning tools...
    It claims to download to GPS, but does it really?

    I realize this won't help with off-road routing ... but what about touring?
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  14. jdgretz

    jdgretz Looking for new places

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    Here's some input from another inmate ---

    Hope that helps.

    jdg
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  15. JRWooden

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    Thanks jdg ....

    I wasn't expecting this GPS thing to be quite this "messy" ...
    Lots of options, none of which really seem to be a self-contained swiss-army-knife solution ...
    sheezzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess I want too much.... :lol3

    I had high hopes for Basecamp as well, installed V3 and it just made me cuss,
    have not yet installed V4 as I figured I'd "review other options" first...

    Jim
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  16. Cerberus83

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    Thanks for the heads up! I'm planning 5.5K mile trip this summer and I'm using MS 2013 to plan the routes (no off-roading). I was thinking about getting TomTom Rider (new version is out and it's using "Tyre"), but I pulled the trigger on 665 instead (I want the SiriusXM features).

    Thus far, planning routes in MS'13 is not too hard, but I hate the fact that you can't create multiple routes at once (at least I haven't been able to figure out a way). Therefore, my trip is one big route with ~130-150 waypoints. 665 should be arriving in the next 2-3 weeks or so, so I hope to test it out and report on the ability to export MS'13 GPX file to Zumo 665.

    I did try exporting GPX into Tyre (or even Google Maps) one before and I believe all the waypoints were transferred, but no routes (only straight lines similar to the issue that the OP ran into on the first page)... I didn't realize there's a way to "snap it to the roads," but will try and see what happens...
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    jdgretz Looking for new places

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    Wait - a new version of the TomTom Rider? Not from the US site. They discontinued motorcycle products in the US at the end of life of the Rider 2 (I have one that I'm willing to give away since I moved to the Zumo 660). Their total lack of support and the way the cradles fail turned me off of them some time ago.

    Tyre was the only thing that made the Rider even remotely usable for other than freeway centric travel.

    jdg
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  18. jdgretz

    jdgretz Looking for new places

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    The next big thing I'm looking for is route optimization software that is external to the GPS. I know some of the new units have an "eco" mode, but I want to do that before stuffing the route into the unit and being surprised at the result.

    jdg
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  19. Cerberus83

    Cerberus83 The Wingman

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    Here you go - offical trailer Rider 5; offical discussions here (look for "new rider"); and offical Rider 5 (2013) manual (PDF)

    However, a few things worth mentioning (as for right now):
    -it only comes with 4GB internal memory
    -it does NOT support SD/microSD cards
    -does not have MP3, but it does have Bluetooth (not sure if it's AD2P)
    -does have summary trip and track trip
    -comes with Tyre program (already free, but it's probably better integrated)
    -offers "Winding Roads" (it will find the roads with most bends for you)*
    *depending on your route

    Estimated cost is roughly $510 and probably will be offered in the US at the end of Q1/Q2

    I was waiting for it to come out, but I pulled the trigger on 665LM...
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  20. Cerberus83

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    If I understand you correctly, Microsoft Street & Trips (ST) has "Optimize Route" option. I used it while planning my route, but the only major thing I noticed was that the route was planned clockwise vs the original plan. For example, the original plan was to travel from Ohio to Maine via Connecticut and return home via Niagara Falls and ST "optimized" it so that I go to Maine via Niagara and return home via CT. Granted, I didn't pay too much attention to times (not sure if you're familiar with the program, but it does calculate the times between each stop/waypoint for you).
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