Trans Europe Trail Ideas ???

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Orujo, May 13, 2011.

  1. itinerant wool stash

    itinerant wool stash Adventurer

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    Yes, South-Tyrol is a non-starter unfortunately. There's the possibility here and there to get crap past the radar (or talk yourself out with a 50 euro slap on the wrist fine), but that pretty much requires local streetsmarts.

    Friaul on the other hand has a large number of accessible gravel roads, though joining them up may be a bit of a thing: Many of them are old military roads and hence dead end roads to old fortresses.

    There's one rather fluent chain I know of from Campolongo to Pontebba: Campolongo -> Forcella Lavardet -> Lago di Sauris -> Forcella Ielma -> Pesariis -> Panoramica Delle Vette -> Paluzza -> Paularo -> Passo Cason di Lanza -> Pontebba.
    Most of the slab is of the small twisted roads variety, or in case of the Cason di Lanza of the "uhmn, is this your idea of road maintenance?" (its in a perpetually sorry state -- which means it gets ridden every time I am in the area ;) ) type; plus, the Cason di Lanza allows a there&back again short dip into Austria on gravel. (via Straniger Alm/Passo Polentin).

    From Pontebba on you can easily pop over into Slovenia for the next bit.

    The entire route is 'legally'[0] ridable and could be considered recced (I rode it last October, though going in the other direction). Can provide a .gpx file if desired.

    [0] A word about 'legality' in Friaul: Many of those routes have a 'no vehicle' sign. The deal is thus: If it is a 'no vehicle' sign *without* any add-on sign ... the well-behaved motorcyclist will usually not get into troubles. Its more of a "ride at your own risk" sign bundled in with a ready-made option to throw the book at idiots.
    On the other hand, if there's a 'no vehicle' sign *with* an addon that reads "LG-XXX", those *are* enforced and directly derived from an ordinance (the ordinance number is given behind the 'LG' bit)
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  2. RedBallRun

    RedBallRun Been here awhile

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    @itinerant wool stash, drop me a pm :-) please!
    (Have you finished in Norway?)

    @azoto - sounds good!

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  3. azoto

    azoto Adventurer

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    Hi itinerant wool stash,
    it would be terrific if you could share your gpx files with the TET group, cause I'm struggling a bit to define a route there. Please feel free to share any other track you may think of. I sent you a PM with my email address.
    Thanks again for your help

  4. Quietus

    Quietus Mariner

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  5. kelhorn

    kelhorn n00b

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    Oh my God... Guys, you're all great. Big thumbs up to all of you. The page is precisely what I was looking for.
  6. glitch_oz

    glitch_oz Long timer

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    Oops....don't get caught then!!


    Rather the opposite applies actually.
    The Friuli in particular does not sprout many of those signs, as principally ALL unsealed roads are OFF LIMITS!!.....UNLESS signed otherwise!!!
    The Friuli's"general rulebook" is pretty much the opposite of what's found in most other areas / provinces.


    Rather correct is that the use of unformed roads/routes/tracks/ paths beyond public roads is forbidden to all motorized vehicles ( even MTB's in some areas ) by regional law.
    Anything marked with an LRXXX designation is automatically closed....even without any visible signage whatsoever!!


    Nothing personal, but this is where the wrong advice given here and other like places (and then acted upon by the "it's all in the GPS-file!!"-follower) can backfire badly.
    And, of course, result in trouble for the local riders as well as the closure of tracks at an even more rapid rate than we already got.


    (German) http://alpenrouten.de/hinweise.html

  7. RedBallRun

    RedBallRun Been here awhile

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    Thanks @glitch_oz , good points.

    Google translation of the alpenstrasse advice:

    "Blocked routes

    In Italy (except for South Tyrol), the bad habit is widespread to set down driving prohibitions for reasons of liability; Meaning that the ride is allowed, but at your own risk. Nevertheless, you should bear in mind that even such a sign is a ban - the driving is an offense and may be u.U. to get punished.

    It is imperative to observe prohibition signs with an additional plate which indicates the law underlying the blocking!

    It is also important to note that the driving of natural roads and hiking trails away from public roads through motorized vehicles and partly also mountain bikes in some areas of Italy is governed by regional laws such as the Legge Regionale (LR) No 23 in Piedmont or the LR No 17 In the Valle d'Aosta, is prohibited - even if there is no sign! In Friuli, the legislation was completely reversed: unpaved routes must not be used if they are not authorized by signposting. Other countries already have similar arrangements or are in preparation."

    @azoto has got the mammoth task of trying to create/maintain/coordinate a route through the Alps as part of the TET project. He's already awash with local, regional and national rules and regulations. I'm sure he would welcome any local knowledge
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  8. azoto

    azoto Adventurer

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    Any sort of help is really welcome! (Beer too is always welcome)