Trans labrador HWY in Winter

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  1. paulmondor

    paulmondor Iceman

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    Okee Dokee! Here we go.
    I am doing the Trans Labrador HWY this coming winter.
    I will be leaving Montreal after shipping my 07 Dakar equipped with a special
    Sidecar rig to carry all the stuff i will need!
    -Camping equipment
    - small heater and stove
    -gear and spare parts.
    The Dakar which has been named "Frosty" on my last winter cross Canada trip will be renamed "DA Side KAR" for this trip.

    Now I am getting things organized with BMW and I am pretty excited about it. i have done it in summer and in rigs but never on bike in winter.
    according to past pictures
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    I have done winter camping while i was in the army and out of the army too. so i know how to do it and i am confident in my ability to srtand cold.
    I know i said in the past that a sidecar was not my favorite idea but i also have to use my head and admit that even though there is gas every 290 klicks or so, progress could be really slow.

    The ferry from Labrador runs through the 16th of January. si it gives me about 15 days to go from Joliette to the ferry terminal in in Blanc Sablon going to Saint Barbe in NL. from there i will go thorugh the Rock again take the ferry from Port Aux Basques NL to north Sidney NS and then ride to Dieppe NB and have the bike shipped out of my buddies's place at Atlantic Motoplex to Victoria.
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    I will get pics posted of my sidecar rig as i build it. and how the modifications will be performed. I know already that the 650 Dakar can stand the rigors of winter
    Thsi time i will have a camera mounted on the Rig and will have an ongoing video going. Now that I know how to keep my camera from freezing.
    Last winter trip has taught me a lot and i will gain a lot fromn this.

    By the time i leave the DVD of the last trip will be done and available. I know! I know i am slow but MANY of you have asked me to let you know when it is available and i will.:freaky

    So here we go! The Iceman launches his Transl Labrador Witner trip on the 1st of january 2008.:clap
    Any comments and advice is appreciated.

    Naysayersw please refrain!:D

    Paul "Iceman"Mondor
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  2. KL5A

    KL5A Bugs are the new black

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    I think you shut down the naysayers pretty effectively on your last trip!

    This will be another one to watch. Some guys have all the fun. :deal
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  3. Winterbiker

    Winterbiker Sidecarist

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    Good grief, that looks like fun! :thumb

    John
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  5. MartinDKtm

    MartinDKtm Been here awhile

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    I live in Baie-Comeau just at the start of the 389...And I don't know where you from but I think thats a little stupid idea...in January. Alone stuck in a blizzard with 5 and up to 10' snow drift across the road if the road is still there at -20 to -40° celcius...humm. If you got nice weather its ok but if not it will be questions of life or death for you seriously. After pushing your bike over a few drift you will be dead tired and all wet.

    I tried to reach Fermont last winter in snowmobile to guide 2 guys from new hampshire that wanted to ride the Cain's quest in labrador and had to turn around after 60 miles...too much snow and I have a mountain sled. Sure they maintain the road. But it can also be closed for a few days...if weather get bad. I would do this ride in end of march or april. Still have a shit load of snow and much more friendly weather and temp and no blizzard or less chance in those month of the year.

    Stop by my home when in B-Comeau. Heat up yourself. Just send me a mail.

    Martin
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  6. Northern Rob

    Northern Rob Con Brio!

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    I don't think your advice is going to deter him!:lol3 :lol3 :lol3
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  7. Northern Rob

    Northern Rob Con Brio!

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    Paul, what kind of sidecar rig have you settled on?
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  8. MartinDKtm

    MartinDKtm Been here awhile

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    Have you thought about how you will start your bike at -25°c or -40? Snow accumulation in the airbox? We see this often in snowmobiles so in a bike not design to run in snow it could be a problem. Please do that ride but later in the year...

    I would like to see a picture of your setup. Is the wheel on your side car driven like on some Ural?
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  9. ThatGuyEd

    ThatGuyEd Mud Lover

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    Martin,

    You probably should read some of Paul's OTHER ride reports.....

    The guy has gone across Canada in the winter..........On his bike......


    Though I do believe this 1 province may be enough of a challenge to almost equal your past feats, Paul.

    I wish you the best, take lots and LOTS of pictures.
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  10. paulmondor

    paulmondor Iceman

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    last trip my buike started in temps from -6 to -60.
    what is with people and fear of non starting vehicle.
    as for my idea being called stupid I wil say what i said last year to those who doubted."An opinion is like an asshole, everyone has one"

    Highways closed? I can wait.:wink:
    Stuck somewhere? I can camp.:D
    getting to dangerous? I can turn around but not likely!:1drink

    And finally? Well! what can i say? if i listened to those who told me to not do what i have done? I would have had a pretty boring life!

    as for what type of sidecar? I will post the pics as i build it. it will have a suspension, low plateform style and it will be light and balnced.

    Cheeers:freaky


    PS you can follow me on your sled. i could use to tune pipe to toast my grill cheese sandwhich
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  11. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    I posted this once already, on a different thread but the same question applies...so Paul, does that mean I need to bring my bike with me to Gaspé for the winter?:ricky
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  12. paulmondor

    paulmondor Iceman

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    Hey Mike! How are you? You want to join me? Great! :freaky Just remember to bring $$$ For half the rescue bond:huh :huh :lol3

    Stay with me on this Mikey! :clap
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  13. skibum69

    skibum69 slave to gravity

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    Ok, I have an idea to work on for my part in this. I'm thinking the 640 might not be ideal not being able to touch the ground? I'll PM you my idea if you're interested in a sidekick?:ricky
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  14. MartinDKtm

    MartinDKtm Been here awhile

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    Paul Im just as crazy as you but...Heres a senario...big 70 to 80K wind, -40°c stock and exhauxted in Gagnon...5' visibility in front of you you decide to stop and wait for better temp...put up your tent...got snow all over you during the night...grader pass by to open the road in the morning and pass on you cause your 3' under...I did read your trans canada ride after my 2 first answers...and the only thing I can tell you is that the trans labrador in winter is not like riding the trans canadian highway...You wont be able to plug a battery charger to help your bike to start in the morning at the hotel, theres none, or almost. You know that you can easily be stock and that next village or camp is quite far away..cause you tell that you ridden it in summer.

    Go for it but not january or february...end of march or april but not january. You can be lucky and have great weather and no trouble but if mother nature decide to screw up...you will be too.

    If you do it anyway please mail me and stop by my home in Baie-Comeau for the night. Ill feel better if you stop and that am able to get news from you. If you have some trouble. Ill go get you. With a truck or sled. Please carry a satellite phone.

    Martin
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  16. paulmondor

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    First i would not camp on the side of the road. second the equipment i bring is in extreme measure. Better me sure than sorry. There are gas stations every 280 klicks or so. i would aks for people to let me in and then start my way back at that point. I have done it in rogs and i know it is 1000%different than the TCH. NO doubt about that.
    The fear of isolation I don't have. risk assesment? i was trained for it.
    Condidence? I have! But Mother nature i respect and know! IF at any time i see this can/could/will turn into a Nightmare i turnaround immediately.
    I hav ealso contacted few of my buddies who truck around these parts there and i am trying to organize a recon Vehiclew that would be an hour or so ahead of me. this way i am covered. it is a bit too much like McGregor and Booreman but i value my life too much to temt the impossible.

    What Deuce brought up about the Seartec? I will not even acknowldedge.
    I know abou this and like so many said last year when someone like him brought this up. "Stop this shit. they enrolled in this and it is their work" Having worked at their sides in 80-81 in Valcartier at the 43 rd squadron and knowing some of them i can see that it is everyone but them (SARTECS) who come up with whyning comments like this or those who never do shit.:evil :rofl

    i am also looking at the Satts for Labrador highway for the last 14 years and the Month of january is looking not as bad a December and some months of march. But I do not want to do march.
    The reason is that it can start going the other way and would make it harder than feezing cold.

    Anywho! Keep sending me info! I would really appreciate that! And believe me? Valid concerns like yiurs are always the most welcomed!

    If there are developments as the months go on or changes Please by allmeans let me know.

    Worse comes to worse i can do another Cross Canada :lol3

    I will keep in contact with you

    Cheers:freaky
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  17. paulmondor

    paulmondor Iceman

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    It is like i said before! I agree with the sidecar to a point! IMO
    An opinion is like an asshole! Everyone has one!"

    When is the last itme you crossed canada in winter in a convertable? Can we see pics please? i am sure a lot of people would like to see that.

    Sorry (No I am not!) i have learned that negative, scared, pessimistics (Hey I am French) and the naysayers are like a virus. They are out there, unseen and scanning for healthy people. they might be small but if you make the mistake of letting one in, you are done for!

    And to those who keep aggravating the shit out of me by saying it was the mildest winter in History last year. Temp range (While moving) from -6 to -61 was not that warm.
    And as I recall i was the only guy on the road for 8000 kms except Ron in Dryden Ontario, Paul In Calagary and Bill and Mike in St-John NL. I guess it was not that warm after all.
    So stop justifying your lack of desire, your fears or inability to do something like this by taking away credit from me for what i did in order to make you feel good!


    Many have said this! always easy to criticize negatively with a cold beer on a warm couch!

    Iceman:freaky

    PS: I just happen to be someone like many other who always write Adventure with a big Capital "A"

    PPS: Yes there are many typos! Thanks
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  18. ThatGuyEd

    ThatGuyEd Mud Lover

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    Look, Deuce. That isn't advice. Thats criticism and negativity beaming through your fouled opinions.

    Show him some average temps, snowfalls, key places you might know of for emergency shelter, things to watch out for....etc...

    Otherwise....
    Have a coke and a smile and stfu.

    Paul,
    Are you going to be running studded tires this time?
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  19. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Have fun.

    Post pics.

    :lurk
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  20. scarysharkface

    scarysharkface Imbecile

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    If Paul's got the luxury of time on his side and proper winter gear (heat, shelter, food), then I don't see any problem with pulling this off successfully whatsoever. A few days "stranded" in the snow with the right gear can actually be quite comfortable and safe.
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