Trials on a dirt bike

Discussion in 'Trials' started by VxZeroKnots, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    I want a trials bike, I really do, I think I'd enjoy that sort of competition much more than enduro racing and I love building my technical skills.

    That being said money is kinda tight to be splurging on one at this moment, maybe next year. I have huge respect for Graham Jarvis and Kyle Redmond and how they can seemingly ride trials style on a full sized dirt bike.

    So does anyone else enjoy punishing themselves and their machine doing what it ain't supposed to? :ear

    Any tips? Anyone wanna give me a trials bike? :rofl

    Can you compete in the NM series on a dirt bike?

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  2. welder

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    Start by installing good radial trials tires. Reserch some trials riding techniques.
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  3. ridenm

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    NMTA welcomes riders on dirt bikes to ALMOST all our events. Let me explain: our home area in the winter, San Ysidro Trials Area, is BLM land and the club's special use permit stipulates that only trials machines will be used out on the loop and in the sections. We've had people ride their DS bikes into the area, park, and watch the fun; that's fine because they're street-legal. We've tried to get an exception for dirt bikes with trials tires but it hasn't really flown successfully. We really don't want to push the issue--the area has been available to NMTA under one special use permit or another since the 1980's, and there's a lot of pressure on BLM from other motorized and non-motorized user groups to change the status quo. We really don't want to go there--the area really isn't appropriate for other motorized, and non-motorized is the proverbial camel nose into the tent.

    In our other areas there are no such stipulations from landowners at this time, though certainly private land owners could set some if they wanted to and we'd have to deal with it. So the events in the Santa Fe and Carson National forests and other BLM land such as Haystack Mountain are indeed open to dirt bikes.
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  4. eddiefaulkner

    eddiefaulkner Been here awhile

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    Our clubs around here started an offroad class for enduro bikes at the trials events. I hope it takes root and evolves into two lines of difficulty. Ive enjoyed it more than riding my trials bike. Turning radius is the limiting factor. We have even been routed up some of the expert obstacles/lines. :evil
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  5. VxZeroKnots

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    Right on, that is great information! Land use is very important, I hope all the best for ya'll and the generations to come.

    Sounds awesome! Where are the pictures? :deal

    Here is an inmate who posted in racing in the KOM thread. Good stuff!

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  6. wilkinsonk

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    --- Edit, damn 205'd while typing. That's what happens when you grab breakfast in the middle of a post ---

    Have you had a look at the King of the Motos thread. There's a guy already training for next year on his KTM. If you don't feel like reading the whole thread, check this one out http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18140784&postcount=116 . It's not a trials event, but it's practically exactly what your referring to.

    I think that as EnduroX gains exposure and popularity there will be a an increase in interest in gaining bike handling skill through trials riding. And who wouldn't want to be able to control their dirt bike better on tough terrain? Imagine the energy savings gained if your able to finesse your bike over obstacles instead of taking the brute force approach. Braaap!

    - Ken
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  7. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    :lol3:lol3 I had to look at your location, on account of the 12 hour time difference and all.

    Improving one's bike handling certainly can't hurt anything, that's for sure.
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  8. trc

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    I do believe Trials is the core of all motorcycling. I think the skills learned in trials applies to all types of bikes. For those that don't have a fitting your big bike with some Trials tires helps transform it into something very capable of riding steep and rocky terrain. I don't ever want to give up Trials but riding a big bike on this stuff is very rewarding to me and now is my core focus!
    Food for though,t a Trials bike can be bought used for around a $1000.00. I would recommend anyone that loves riding tough terrain will enjoyTrials. By competing in Trials, it helped me transform these skills over on the big bike. Not necessary, but definitely helps!
    A lot of the guys that raced King of the Motos were running knobbys, some had enough skill that it didn't matter, some could have really benefitted from a Pirelli Trials tire. The Pirelli is the only one that works well with the bike bike. My opinion. The others are made for a Trials weight bike. The carcass on the pirelli holds the bike well, even with 5psi in the tire. Hope this helps! keep riding the tough stuff!
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  11. LucasLeader

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    I like where this thread is going! I got a WR400 a few months ago and put a MT43 trials tire on the back. The reviews have held true, and the tire just grabs all the way up hills. I'd like to have a trials bike, but they are generally harder to find and more expensive compared to a dirt bike. So my idea is to find a really cheap 125 two stroke, put trials tires on it and lighten it up as much as possible (not much you can do here) and have a fun little play bike to hone technical skills on. Looks like some other people have already done it!
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  12. ridenm

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    You probably know this already, but if you decide to go the two-stroke route, look for something that already has or can accept extra flywheel weight. A 125 MXer will not make the kind of power you want for a technical trail/trial dirt bike.
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  13. Mark_S

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    my son (exc300) and I (wr450) are recent trials rear tire converts (maybe 4-5 rides)

    the idea of getting some trials training on our trail bikes is certainley appealing

    we road up a hill climb on Saturday that would have been totally impossible for us on knobbys

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  14. LucasLeader

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    This would be something that stayed close to the truck just to mess around on. Geared way down with a flywheel weight. I like to describe it as a full size mini. I think most people understand that oxymoron.
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  15. VxZeroKnots

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    I did the same thing with a 250 two stroke but it is old and grumpy. I'd like to recreate the project with a 125 or another 250 so i could just swap all my parts.
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    I have an old XR250R that I pretty much haven't ridden since I started fiddling with the trials bike. Last week I had to do some car shuffling and had to use my XR (plated) to go and pick my truck up from where I'd left it. I figured that while it was out I'd take it back in the yard and try some of the log crossings and such that I've been doing on the trials bike.

    I crashed on the 2nd log. :lol3 The XR has a very heavy clutch pull (short lever, aftermarket springs) that I can't operate smoothly with one finger. As I was approaching the log I had a little brain fart while trying to decide if I wanted to use the lever with one finger, or three (middle, ring, pinkie) like I usually do on that bike and ended up crossing the log with no grip on the left bar.

    When I figured out what I wanted to do with the clutch, I was pretty impressed with what I was able to do using trials technique - and this on a bike that weighs 280 pounds ready to ride & has lousy dated suspension. With a fairly modern lightweight two-stroke, I think one could have a ton of fun.
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  17. BikePilot

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    I think a small bike like an XR100 or KX100 (gear it down, rev it out) would be better than a full size dirt bike, but it really depends on your local course. The few events I rode in the mid-atlantic were tight, but not real aggressive. The one course I've ridden in FL is less tight and oddly has steeper hills. I can blast the hills easily on a MX bike--more easily than I can on the trials bike, but can't always stay on the course with the MX bike :lol3
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    I have competed in local trials on my 450 EXC. I geared it as low as I could find 12/52 and rotated the bars forward, so it was comfortable standing. I also had a trials tire on the back. I could ride our Intermediate line (second from the easiest class here) ok and didn't finish last.

    But I've got years of actual trials bike experience, so that really helped. It was fun if I killed the bike, to keep your balance and use the electric start to keep going.:D
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  19. neilking

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    Mark_S do that same trail on a trials bike and you will never want to do it on your 450 again!
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  20. R55ert

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    Thanks for posting the link, looks way too cool.

    I also have thought trials would be cool. Maybe some day.

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