Triangle Tag o' Rama - Let's Play!

Discussion in 'Southeast, The Lair of the Dragon - The Blue Ridge' started by JerseyBiker, Mar 24, 2010.

  1. RevBill

    RevBill Irreverent Reverend

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    Interesting .. There's an old rail line along 158 out east too .. been wanting to check it out for the past year .. noticed it a few years ago when I was out that way on the cruiser and again a couple of weeks ago when doing the tags ..


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  2. Flashback

    Flashback Mommys Lil Monster

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    BMW isn't the only thing on the market and if they continue to treat their customers as they treated me, they won't have any market at all.

    I'm not one of those brand loyal riders who rides a bike simply to ride a "name". When quality craps out or when customer service fails, I just go elsewhere and ride the same rides on a different brand bike. BMW has proven that cost-cutting in production doesn't work for "adventure" bikes. They introduced a lot of cheap chinese parts into their entire line-up in the last couple years and their bikes are pretty much cheap Chinese junk sold under a German name now.

    That F800 Rotax engine is a fantastic engine though --- would love to stick one in a lightweight frame like the DR frame or an HP2 frame. The Rotax engine is about the only thing BMW actually makes to their own specifications on the F800GS...sad but true...everything else (including the engine case) is outsourced to the cheapest engineer and cheapest bidder.

    That's why they wouldn't touch my engine case crack...they didn't actually manufacture the engine case themselves. They bought it from China - they would never be able to get the case manufacturer to help them pay repair costs.

    Currently manufactured BMW bikes are cheap POS Chinese crap just like everything else now.

    ---> Take the G650GS --->>> looks like the same bike as the 1990s to 2007 F650GS but it isn't. The engine looks the same but it's actually Chinese knock-off of the Rotax single cylinder engine that made the bike so popular and reliable. When you buy one sales won't tell you that the entire bike is constructed in China, but that's exactly what you are getting.

    And don't get me started on the 1200GS/GSA --> you won't believe how little of that bike is actually made by BMW now....

    BMW Quality has really really really gone down the toilet in favor of cost savings during production recently. I wouldn't trust anything BMW has made after about 2007 --- that's when they decided to go with Chinese over German engineering.

    THAT SAID ---> I still love those earlier model BMWs...looking for an R80GS. The airhead is my dream bike now.
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    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bmw_motorcycles


    G series – single-cylinder engines of 449 to 652 cc capacity featuring chain drive. Models are G450X, G650GS (available in some markets), G650 Xmoto, G650 Xchallenge and G650 Xcountry. The 450 cc engines are manufactured by Kymco in Taiwan.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11]</sup> The 2009 and 2010 650 cc engine parts were manufactured Rotax in Austria, with the engine being assembled by Loncin Holdings, Ltd in China.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[12]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-g650gsreview_12-0" class="reference">[13]</sup>



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  4. wb57

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  5. RidingDonkeys

    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Must....buy....BMW....NOW!

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  6. hscrugby

    hscrugby "That guy"

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    Yea, I'm missing having a plated dirt bike. I loved the DR for everything, EXCEPT highway. I either needed to lose about 100-150lbs, or it needed about 15 more HP to handle my fat ass. :lol3
    I'm trying to save up for a more dirt flavored bike with a plate. If I had the loot, I'd have a ktm 500exc in my garage right now. I'm 285 before gear, so I worry less about hauling a few extra pounds of bike around. :D
  7. STBNE

    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    Well Erik I gues it goes back to my original premise of why I wouldnt buy a BMW...Used to be BMW was synonymous with quality and they stood behind their product line. Even though they are hih priced ...you used to get your money's worth...sad to say this is no longer true. I know you're moving on but I wouldnt move on until I put up a huge thread on this forum about the poor quality of Chinese BMW production. So many people out there who dont know what they're getting...as always caveat emptor...but with BMW you would have thought you were making a safe purchase. Sorry to say that your experience with BMW has only reinforced an earlier notion I had about their quality or the lack thereof. From Bill Clinton on...every president has since further eroded our USA production/manufacturing sector in favor of the cheapest costs for labor...as a result theres no one watching...regulating the producers and thus there is no quality control or standards like we'd have over here...remember that old saying..."if you want something done right...do it yourself"...Man are we in a downward spiral..............
  8. STBNE

    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    285? No way...you dont look that big...DRs' are cool bikes I have a pic of one that I grabbed off this forum...it looks more street oriented but not quite a Motard style...but has quality components on it...
  9. FirstLight

    FirstLight Been here awhile

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  10. STBNE

    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    debatable if we're past the point of no return...I dont think we are just yet but things had better turn around soon...anyways I'd love to have a DR set up like this one...Usually i dont care for the styling of the aftermarket fuel tanks... kinda ugly... but this one looks pretty decent

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  11. wb57

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    I remember talking with someone closely affiliated (famous guy) about the BMW motorcycle division a few years ago when they got into the off road world with the 450. He explained that the bike division is completely separate and that the car division looked down on it heavily. Think of them as two completely separate companies that share a name.
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    Flashback Mommys Lil Monster

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    I suppose I could be a BMW hater after the serious lack of support they throw behind their product but I'm not really. I'm actually over it and on to the next bike (which will not be another BMW unless it's a pre 2005 model)

    And as an advertisement for what might become my next big money bike...google the new KTM Adventure R 1090...KTM actually has several bikes in the works that will make BMWs "adventure" line up look like the Chinese scooters that they really are including the really cool looking 2013 model year 1290 super duke and 2014 model year Adventure 1290.

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    But in all seriousness I love the DR for what it is...simplicity and reliability. I was just thinking about that a few minutes ago as I was preparing the DR for a 300 mile ride tonight to grab the VA TOR. I did something with the DR that I was never able to do with any heavy-weight BMW I've ever owned...lean the bike over on the kick stand and spin the rear tire by hand while lubing the chain.

    While I won't make it my mission to piss all over BMWs current low quality line up of bikes, they certainly did not do themselves a favor by pissing all over my warranty and telling me that a broken engine case isn't a covered item.

    I would actually consider the DR650 to be of higher quality than anything BMW produces right now...but hey...I'm jaded...and they have flat out told me their engines won't last through the 36K miles they offer the warranty for.

    What they really did say to me (and this blew my gasket) was that "it was a tough break and they felt for the expense of the repair". And I was like...um...aren't you forgetting that you warranteed this bike to be free of defects for 36K miles. But nope...warranty or not...I was told that a broken engine case was not a covered item by BMW and it was too bad that my F800GS ENGINE died at 28,7XX miles but they were not going to do anything about it.

    ....that's BMW Technical telling me they won't stand behind their own products, even during the warranty period...


    ...so much for the longevity of BMWs "UNSTOPPABLE" F800GS. Mine was stopped at just under 29,000 miles (the least amount of miles I've gotten out of ANY bike I've ever owned...even my Harley lasted longer).

    ...What a joke BMW has become

    ...it's laughable that they treat customers who spent almost 20K on a bike like they do...I should sue them to make them honor their own warranty.

    HEY BMW -> Guess What -> This post will end up on the front page of Google Searches for the F800GS because everything that goes on ADV Rider is immediately caught by the web crawlers...

    Oh and the weekend that I sold my F800 off for parts, I found 3 more engines up for scrap with the same exact crack in the same exact spot...hmm...hard to claim it's not a manufacturers defect now...or rather should we just call it what it is...cheap Chinese crap!
  13. wb57

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    Wow.
    I have no idea if you talked to a lawyer or even considered going that route. As much as I truly can't stand what the legal profession has done to this country, I think I'd have pulled out all the stops and made them cover the mofo.

    Secondly, that's how I *always* lube the chain on any/every dirt bike I've ever owned. :D

    Thirdly, KTM *DOES* give a shit. It's amazingly apparent at any high profile offroad event.
  14. STBNE

    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    You know Erik even if you did succeed in getting BMW to cover your warranty repairs... would your faith in BMW be restored? I for one would never trust that their bike was sound ever again...I think you should let the world know just what they've done to you...:deal
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    hscrugby "That guy"

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    Had they fixed it at first, no worries. Fighting them for warranty work is BS.
    So a fixed bike I'd trust. But too little too late now.
  16. STBNE

    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    Oh sure...even fixed...no worries abt a motor BMW won't stand behind?...no worries about cheap chinese crap??? I don't think so...:flip

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    ifixfords Been here awhile

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    Tales of BMW woe! I bought a 2004 K1200GT in early 2005. Put about 10k on it the first year and loved (still miss that bike). Then it started with the clutch, riding one day, suddenly have no clutch, pumped it for a while and it came back enough to get it to the dealer. John took it in the back and came back shortly saying it just needed bleeding, while knowing this was kind of BS I took the bike only to have them come to my house two days later to get it and replace the slave cylinder. Then I started having an ABS concern, coming down to a stop the light would start flashing and I would have no power assist to the brakes ( pretty big change on one of those bikes and kind of scary). I had to get BMW corporate involved to finally get it fixed, then like a week later I got on the brakes hard which engaged ABS momentarily. The ABS light came on and the fluid in the rear reservoir was low. I took it back to the dealer, they filled the reservoir, then when I asked them what happened (knowing that without a proper ABS bleed air can be trapped inside the ABS unit), John said and I quote "how do we know you did not tip the bike over". As the bike was flawless, as in literally not a scratch, I would have to say no not tipped over! That was the end of my BMW experience, sold the bike and bought weestrom.:-)



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    STBNE Yamaha ADVenturer

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    how does one go about proving they had a 2 year erection?...this sounds like something you'd find only in Calif.:deal
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    RidingDonkeys Purveyor of Awesome

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    Well, you could start by looking at his bedpost.

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