Trip master,RNS, ICO, & Roadbook tips and tricks

Discussion in 'Racing' started by Mudguts, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. Mudguts

    Mudguts when in doubt GAS IT

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    So we have the Nav tower thread but no dedicated Trip master thread
    Lucky for us we have our in house trip master Guru , Tony Schattat
    and Road book genius Mr 640 Armageddon

    So today I was replacing the battery's in my ICO when I noticed the I can
    Stash couple of spare battery's under the battery lid ,

    I don't know if this is a Derry every one knows that or
    Hey that's a neat tip .
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  2. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    carry or add a spare pick up sensor wire.. thats all I got for now! Good thread idea ! So now all the switch ideas came come to the surface !
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  3. HogWild

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    Get some 2032 button cell batteries for $3.43, qty 20, free shipping, no tax, very slow delivery:
    http://dx.com/p/2032-x-20-pcs-cell-batteries-751
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    While you're there, pick up some spare JST connectors that match Tony's Tripmaster and Heading Repeater power cables, $2.70 for qty 10. Tony, you really should use something a bit more rugged than JST connectors with tiny wires, since everything else about your devices is top notch!
    http://dx.com/p/jst-cables-10-pair-15234
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  4. schattat

    schattat Long timer

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    Great thread idea! :thumb

    HogWold, I admit, they are a 'bit' fragile, but zip tie them properly to your nav-support plate plate and all is good. I haven't really found an alternative solution. Maybe you've got something to share that is easily available, pre-assembled, just solder on to the board and go?

    I'd be more than happy to use new power connectors on the new generation of TMs (coming soon :evil:evil:evil)
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  5. Happe

    Happe Offroad Nut

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    Well good timing for this thread :D

    I'm currently trying to connect a Trail Tech Remote with an old ICO.


    Trailtech has three knobs and four wires.
    The ICO Remote (which knobs I hate) has three knobs and three wires.
    I can't figure out what the third knob is doing. Actually I know what it is doing but not how.
    Does anyone know this?

    The Trailtech remote works fine with the top and bottom knob so distance up and down is possible as is switching modes.


    Stefan

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  6. schattat

    schattat Long timer

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    Stefan, there's an easy trick for a conversion, 2 diodes are what you'll need!
    Take the cathode end of a diode, connect it with the + button line, Do the same with the other diode and connect its cathode to the - line. Now, connect both of the other ends of the diodes (their anodes) together on to the third wire (now your mode button), that's all!

    To help you understand it better, as you said the ICO remote has 3 buttons and 3 wires vs. your TT remote with 3 buttons and 4 wires. The ICO remote essentially only has 2 buttons, the third button for the modes has the identical effect as pushing the other two buttons (+ and -) together at the same time. In other words, the mode button is not a standalone button like on your TT remote, it does the job of pressing the other two buttons at the same time. Get it?
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  7. Happe

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    Yes,

    thanks. I was thinking of diodes but was hoping for a simpler solution.
    Two buttons will do the job for Nav Training over Christmas.
    After that I need a new Tripmaster anyway and yours are looking good :deal

    Stefan
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  8. Baja Dad

    Baja Dad Long timer

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    I would like someone to build a nice sturdy Speedo cable and pick up
    so I can run to Units off of one cable

    Anyone ????
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  9. Leeexc

    Leeexc Been here awhile

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    My Close up (reading) eyesight is getting worse by the day, Is there anything available to magnify the road book to make it better to read.

    Thanks Lee.
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    Gany Been here awhile

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  11. Bicycle Phil

    Bicycle Phil Been here awhile

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    Pro-Vue goggle inserts. They make a prescription insert that plugs right into your goggles.

    Mine work great: easy to insert into goggle frame, completely vibration proof(stays put), easy to remove and clean. Not cheap, and worth every penny.



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  12. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    What's the bottleneck? does it need a stronger magnet? Since it's just a signal pulse, I believe that it doesn't work, but I don't understand why....
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  13. 640 Armageddon

    640 Armageddon Do or Do Not. There is no try.

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    Excellent thread idea ! :thumb

    About RNS's cables, have seen a clear overcoat (if I may describe it this way) which protects the cables. The guy who used the Trips, never had problems with them. Although they look fragile, and I would also prefer a circular connector, it seems they are doing their job :D

    As far as the roadbook magnifier is concerned, we are working on something and have prototypes at hand. They work ok, the setup is ok and at the end these will be sold as replacement covers or accessories for Mk1 roadbook holder. It depends on the demand though :ear

    BajaDad. Speedo cable and pick up.
    If you mean to have one cable to read the wheel magnet and then feed the Rally Computers with one plug and then feed the KTM (for example) speedo with another plug, I can't see why why this cannot be done now by splitting the signal from the pick up cable in to two (Tony? :ear ). Unless the Speedo has a pulse multiplier or something which prevents the idea I thing it is doable. This idea of course, defies the redundancy approach. You loose one cable you loose two devices :D
    I have seen riders going mental and have two Trips and another two spare cables already on the bike. Swap connectors and they are good to go. Two cables on the left side two cables on the right side of the bike... Depends on what you wanna do I guess...

    Till later,
    D.
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  14. Happe

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    Nope,

    tried it for my first Navigation Ride in 2012 on the cheap.
    Two Sigmas on one sensor

    As you can see on the picture one Sigma is at 0km/h Speed the other at 7Km/h
    The bike is standing still :eek1

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  15. DaveRMS

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    This puts the redundancy at the wrong end of the equation. The units don't usually fail--it's the cables that fail. IMHO, you are better off with 1 unit and 2 cables than 2 units and 1 cable. Of course, you should run 2 units and 2 cables if you really want to do it "right".

    Dave
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  16. schattat

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    A single sensor for multiple units could work, but not by directly connecting the individual units parallel to each other. The way the system work is you have 2 wires in those sensors, one is a high signal, e.g. 5V, the other is GND. The switch in the sensor does nothing but short circuit these two lines upon proximity of a magnet. The effect we saw on the Sigmas can occur when hooking up multiple units together that a high signal from unit A comes in contact with the GND signal of unit B. One would have to therefore measure which line is high and which is GND, couple them together with diodes (yes, those things yet again!) and then you could run a single sensor.
    But as already mentioned by Dave, you have no backup!!!
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  17. Happe

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    They are everywhere .... :eek1
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  18. hardenduro

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    I was wondering how the cables for the various types of rally odometers
    are routed. I plan to run two,one tripmaster and one ICO and am most interested in how the cables are run to avoid damage at the bottom near
    the sensor. Thanks.
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  19. beechum1

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    Dave has a good writeup on that particularly:

    http://www.rallymanagementservices.com/pages/support-manuals
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