Tripmaster switch on an SE

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  1. Pilbara

    Pilbara In the flow...

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    Has anyone else actually fitted and got a tripmaster switch completely functional on an SE?

    I have fitted one and the mode button works fine, the lower button works fine on trip 2 to reduce the reading but the upper button refuses to do anything. After looking through manuals and with help from Autostream on the mobile while looking at his setup on the adventure it all appears to be wired correctly.

    Pin 12 on the speedo just does not do anything. If I earth out pin thirteen it moves the trip 2 display counting down. Nothing I do seems to make it count up.

    :ear


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  2. Seth S

    Seth S Will _____ for _____

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    If I remember the switch on mine correctly the single button changes the mode, the other two are used to advance or decrement the trip 2 odometer and thats it.
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  3. Pilbara

    Pilbara In the flow...

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    ...but my switch is with fault and this is why I asked the question, I know how it is supposed to work, but it does not.

    What I need to know is there someone who has successfully wired in a tripmaster switch on the SE? Did it work properly? Do you have an SE Seth and is your switch working as per your memory of it?

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  4. Seth S

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    Sorry, just trying to be helpful, guess I didnt understand your question. I have the adventure. I thought you were implying that the second switch had a range of other amazing functions. I was merely pointing out that it did one thing only...guess I read it into your post that you had it working...versus not working at all. Seems kind of odd that it would not work. You would think it would be the exact same computer...would not make sense to come up with a new computer...at least not from a cost of manufacturing stand point.
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  5. Motobee

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    KTM uses the same instrument cluster (#61014069000) for the 950 ADV/SE/SM, 990ADV and 06 990SD. So theoretically the tripmaster switch should work fine if wired correctly.

    The cluster wiring on the 950ADV is virtually the same as the 950SE, except KTM shows the speedometer input to the cluster (black/orange wire) to be pin#14 on the ADV, on the SE it is pin#16

    On the 950 ADV the multifunction switch is wired like this:
    Pin#11 yellow/brown
    Pin#12 yellow
    Pin#13 green/red

    The '06 Superduke and the 990 ADV use pin#12 for the coolant temp. input, instead of pin#19, which is used on all of the carbed bikes. So the 990ADV can't use pin#12 for the multifunction switch.

    The 990 ADV multifunction switch is wired as follows:
    Pin#11 yellow/brown
    Pin#13 yellow
    Pin#14 red/green

    You might find someone with a 950 Adventure to check the cluster wiring to see if it is actually the same as the wiring diagram. If it is, you might try swapping the speedometer input to pin#14, and then wire the multifunction switch to pins#11,12,13.

    Otherwise, you could try the 990ADV multifunction switch wiring of pins#11,13,14.

    I don't know how KTM can wire the same cluster so differently, maybe there are typo's in the wiring diagrams, so it might be good to have some people look at their bikes to see how they are actually wired.
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  6. Pilbara

    Pilbara In the flow...

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    I will try shorting pin 14 to ground and see if it moves the trip 2 up. Pin 13 shorted to ground certainly works for moving it down. Pin 12 does nothing.

    I am surprised by the difference in connections of what seems to be an identical part. Must be some smarts in there to configure it eh?

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    Pilbara
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  7. Motobee

    Motobee Adventurer

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    Pilbara,
    Please post your results so others can find out what works in the future.

    Good luck,
    Brian
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  8. Ignore Amos

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    If so love to see how you did it...something I'd like to do in the very near future
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  9. Pilbara

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    Change Pin 12 to pin 14 and all works OK. Pin 14 increases the reading on trip 2.

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  10. Ignore Amos

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    On the male or female side? sorry if this is a silly question...I've been drinking.....and not done either.... a round for the house...on ME!
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  11. BC in Mid TN

    BC in Mid TN Been here awhile

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    Would the tripmaster from an EXC be wired different from the Adventure tripmaster ? The EXC connector looks to be the same as on the SE.:ear
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  12. Pilbara

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    ...as on my SE and everyone else I know with one, there is no tripmaster switch plug in the wiring loom. Maybe they have started to incorporate it in later models?? Are you intimating that you have one on yours?

    I have had to wire an adventure trimaster switch (ie cut off the plug) directly into pins 11, 13 and 14 of the multifunction speedo. I am sorry I cannot help you with your question as my SE does not have a connector for the tripmaster switch.

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  13. Pilbara

    Pilbara In the flow...

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    Pin 14 is pin 14 wether it is the male on the speedo or the female receptable on the plug.

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  14. BC in Mid TN

    BC in Mid TN Been here awhile

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    Well I guess I got lucky :D . My SE has a plug in for the Tripmaster. It is bundled in with all the connectors behind the headlight mask. I found it when I was hooking up my GPS to the ACC1.
    I "borrowed" my Tripmaster from my 06 EXC and it plugs straight in. The center button changes modes and the top and bottom buttons increment up and down.
    The wires are a touch too short, but that is easily remedied. Also the EXC Tripmaster doesn't have the same mounting bracket as does the Adventure Tripmaster. The EXC version has a band that wraps around the handlebar but it would have to mount inward too far for easy thumb reach (not a big deal but if you're going to all the trouble anyway make it right).
    I don't know the dimension of the Adventure Tripmaster connector if it's the same as the EXC version then it's "plug and play". My EXC Tripmaster connector size is 8.65mm wide and 4.66mm tall. The 4 wires from the rear with clip on top L-R Brown Red White Blue.

    Can anyone confirm if the Adventure Tripmaster connector is the same as an EXC?

    If not easiest solution is to purchase
    EXC Tripmaster 54814073000 and bracket 58314069350
    The Adventure Tripmaster is 58214069044
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  15. BC in Mid TN

    BC in Mid TN Been here awhile

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    Another view of connector:ear
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  16. Pilbara

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    I had to go through hell to source the correct pins in the plug for the speedo and even more grief to find a supplier! Not to mention the $300 crimping tool!!!

    The plug on the Adventure tripmaster is different to the one that you have shown too, it is not an inline plug, Seems KTM chop and change things a bit. The wiring diagrams in the service manual do not even replicate the reality on the bike.

    Looking at your pics the adventure tripmaster (the model I bought anyway) would not work with that connector.

    As a matter of interest can you trace what pin numbers the wires and their colours go back to on the main speedo/connector?

    Cheers
    Pilbara
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  17. BC in Mid TN

    BC in Mid TN Been here awhile

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    I just ordered an EXC Tripmaster when I install it I'll get you the pinouts and colors. Sorry your's was such a pain in the azz!!!!
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  18. Pilbara

    Pilbara In the flow...

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    Mine is all fitted and working now. Will be interesting to see what the pins and colours are for the plug on your wiring loom (which does not exist on mine) Maybe it simply got forgotten on a friday afternoon by a loom maker keen to get home:evil

    Mine is an 06 model and the repair manual 2003 - 2006 wiring diagram does not even show a plug for the tripmaster on the SE, what year is yours?
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    Maybe they start fitting them now? The other odd thing is the type of plug on yours it is different from the one on the adventure and the plug on the tripmaster switch they sold me for the SE.
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    Here is the pin outs on the 950 Adventure as per the wiring diagram.
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    But as I found out the result is that pin 11 is for the mode button, Pin 13 is for the raise and pin 14 is the lower button. Which is as per the wiring for the 990 Adventure

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    So if any other 950 SE riders out there that do not have a plug for a tripmaster switch wish to fit one I have some original pins left to fit the speedo connector that I am happy to post to you. First come first serve basis until I run out.

    Cheers
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  19. BC in Mid TN

    BC in Mid TN Been here awhile

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    Mine is an 07 US spec model. Thanks for the prints those are the 1st I've seen.
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  20. ErrinV

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    Thanks for this info Pilbara. I got the switch with my bike ('07 990) and it never worked. Only the Mode button and the Minus button would work.

    So the dealer shipped me another one, and I connected it today, with the same results. Now I'll have to go back in there and see if I can trace the wires and see if it matches the diagrams that you have posted.

    One thing that I'm not clear on though. You mention a special tool and crimps. Is it not possible to just move the wires on the speedo? I've never attempted this kind of thing so I'm wondering if it's over my head. :eek1

    Next time I'm in there I'll be sure and take pictures and note the wire colors too.

    Errin
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