Triumph Scrambler

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by danger_dave, May 29, 2006.

  1. Krieg

    Krieg Adventurer

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    Only a matter of time. If you would have told me 5 years ago that I'd be able to pack a 10" laptop in my backpack and tune my dirt bikes basically "on the fly", I'd have called you insane. It won't be long before phones are capable. I remember one of my bosses laughing at me and calling me stupid when I told him camera film would essentially be obsolete before he died. Now it's a novelty item. It just takes enough time for the old, hard-headed, geezers to die out before their favorite stuff can only be found in museums. But at the end of the day, it's all about whatever yanks your crank... :D
  2. Maxacceleration

    Maxacceleration Awol

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    The thing is, you don't have to carry around a laptop for EFI.
    Usually a pre-made map is sufficient, and effective.
    Fuel injection takes 'whacking' the throttle open better. Carbs IME like a roll on better. EFI is more instantaneous than carbs albeit sometimes too instantaneous (as in modulating in corners).
    Sure a built motor or perfect fine tuning could require extra Power Commander tuning on your EFI.
    But the majority of time your bike will run better, sooner with EFI over carbs.
    Bad tuned carbs suck fuel, pop/backfire, start poorly (different hot & cold) and fall on their face till you get it right.
    Main jets, pilot jets, needles, float level. A lot of variables.
    Pull off those carbs one more time!!! LOL You love it. Don't forget to sync them.
    But some guys like to tinker. And some guys are truly good at getting their carbs right.
    Dialed in carbs are a delight.
    For the guy who isn't an ace tuner, and just wants to put on a pipe & air filter, then ride, there isn't an easier/faster way than a pre made map.
    My EFI Scrambler blitzes from short shifting to redline without a hiccup.
    YMMV
  3. keep it simple!

    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    Yeah right, use a phone to tune...:rofldoes it leave a print-out of HP and torque?
    With carbs you 'll have to have the knowledge of combustion.
    Now everyone is a 'self-declared' tuner LOL.
    Unbelievable....
    Gotta stop; my injection is ringing :lol3
  4. Krieg

    Krieg Adventurer

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    True, if you have a good map to begin with. But a lot of the offroad bikes are coming into the states with EFI maps that are way too lean in order to meet our Government's insane environmental regs. If you like to tinker, it's fun to stop on a trail, whip out the laptop spend 5 minutes adjusting maps and feeling the results. Same is true of the pulse width modulators or piggy back modules like Power Commander or the JD tuners. Same concept as futzing with a carb... just a LOT quicker and cleaner and I don't even have to get off the bike.
  5. Krieg

    Krieg Adventurer

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    Laugh now. :lol3 I hope we're both here in 5 (maybe less) years so I can say I told you so. Cell phones, I-pads, and even Kindles already have more than enough computing power to handle the com programs and operating systems necessary to upload the data. And actually, if you've ever seen any of the shell programs used to tune EFI on bikes, the settings usually mimic carb circuits, so your argument about needing to have knowledge of combustion is still valid, even when tuning EFI. Even 2-stroke carbs will eventually go the way of the dinosaurs... :rofl... http://twostrokemotocross.com/2011/11/ossa-250300-i-the-future-of-enduro/
  6. SkiFastBadly

    SkiFastBadly A beer? Yes, please

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    A carbuerated bike will never leave you stranded with a failed fuel pump.
  7. keep it simple!

    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    The best system is the system that adjusts itself.
    Changing the exhaust on my scram (EFI) = changing the mapping at the dealer
    Changing the exhaust on my bmw x-challenge = the system adjusts itself (advice from my beemer dealer)
  8. keep it simple!

    keep it simple! Been here awhile

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    When the reserve fuel lamp of my beemer didn't work once, i'll had to push to bike...Wished at that moment that there was a 'reserve'...
  9. alskee750

    alskee750 Been here awhile

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    Tired...
  10. Roadscum

    Roadscum Long timer

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    Nice..... tell me about those fenders please.

    Regards, Paul
  11. Speed King

    Speed King Long timer

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  12. Krieg

    Krieg Adventurer

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    Or a dead battery eh?
  13. FoothillRyder

    FoothillRyder Tiger Cub

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    Doesn't even have to be dead, and this is the reason I prefer my motorcycles with as few electronic 'controls' as possible (none of my four bikes has EFI, or an ECU).

    I had a 2001 Aprilia Falco, which as a riding machine was brilliant once I retrofitted a Factory Pro map and a Penske shock. Trouble was, as a sport bike the battery was small and the charging system not terribly robust (the official designation was SL1000, the SL translating roughly to 'super light', and it was). My commute was only ten miles each way, which was not sufficient to recharge the battery fully after starting the big, high-compression V-twin. If I happened to catch a cylinder on compression when starting, it would stop turning, and no matter how quickly I released the button the voltage would drop to the point where the ECU would reset - everything. He never failed to start; but when that happened (probably 25% of the time) I had to reprogram everything to set the electronics up the way I wanted. After four years of having to keep the bike on a tender every night I traded it for a Thruxton.
  14. mint julep

    mint julep Been here awhile

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    My stock Scram :thumb
    Final prep before I take her home. ;)


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  15. akokie

    akokie Boomer Sooner

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    i just think it's funny how they made the efi look like carbs. not that i'm complaining about my efi scram. i love it. too much, probably. in fact, it may be unhealthy how much i love this bike.:lol3

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  16. Chowdown

    Chowdown Texas Aussie

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    what is that screen you have? did you have to paint it to match or did you get it already colour matched?
  17. 9mmMike

    9mmMike Vicarious Adventurer

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    No white piping on the seat? When did that stop?
  18. Fire Escape

    Fire Escape Long timer

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    Maybe when they stopped painting the bikes and started shipping them with just a primer?

























    :hide

    It must be more recently than that, unless that seat is off another model?
    Actually, all my bikes look like they are just primered but it is only because of the ever present layer of dirt.


    Bruce
  19. akokie

    akokie Boomer Sooner

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    Found it on pure-triumph.com
    Don't know if they still have them or not.
  20. b0rderman

    b0rderman Been here awhile

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    my brother's 2012 is sans-piping