Triumph Scrambler

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by danger_dave, May 29, 2006.

  1. vonfink13

    vonfink13 2013 Scrambler

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    been hanging around this forum since i got my scrambler in Oct...thought it was finally time to register...loads and loads of great info in here...here is a pic of my bike..i am looking forward to the 2013 riding season..i have about 2100 miles on her already and most of those miles were in some pretty chilly temps...[​IMG][/IMG]
  2. henryII

    henryII Been here awhile

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    This one is simular to a low price

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    LUGGAGE RACKS £39.99
    at tecbikeparts
  3. xaman

    xaman Been here awhile

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    Congrats, that's my new favorite color :clap
  4. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    Not quite 24 hrs, but I let it sit overnight, 14 hours, roughly the same as bit did a couple nights ago after my service. It's a brand new battery, and even though I have the aux power socket, I don't have anything plugged into it. Leads are securely connected to the battery.

    Bike off: 12.88V
    Lights on: 12.6V
    Fuel pump on: 12.38V
    Bike running @ idle: 12.48V
    Bike running @ fast idle: 13.1V
    Bike running @ high rev: 13.5V
    Bike running @ even higher rev: 13.4V
    Bike off: 12.9V

    Did some looking on TriumphrRat (is it just me, or does it seem like there's more ads than posts there?) and it seems like these values are pretty normal for a bike. I'm troubleshooting it as if it were a car, but I learned the charging system is completely different on these and 90% of other bikes compared to autos.

    So, I'm stumped...
  5. fotopat

    fotopat Pat / Cleveland, OH

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    Picked up new in mid November - added the single seat that I got at a good price from a fellow inmate - am loving this bike - now if the weather would just cooperate - where's global warming and climate change when you need it!?

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  6. DoubleCafe

    DoubleCafe Been here awhile

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    Great color! BTW, global warming has hit Georgia, it was in the low 70's this weekend.
  7. airspro

    airspro Been here awhile

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    Yep mine was the same , I hogged out the plastic that the tubing fit into , after 2 years that broke , then I put a peice of 1" alum angle in place of it , that seems to work good . I was a bit muffed by it not fitting too .
  8. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    Ok, so...came home from work at about 3, and tried to start the bike again. Nothing. Hooked up the multi-meter and here's the readings:

    Off: 12.54V
    Lights: 12.48V
    Fuel Pump: 12.11V
    Attempt to start: flickered down to 11.37V

    The battery lost almost .5 volts in 6 hours of sitting.

    Went through the process again a few moments ago:
    Off: 12.48V
    Lights: 12.21V
    Fuel Pump: 11.96V

    Saw this thread on TriumphRat, which pretty much describes my issue exactly, and I'm curious if anyone else has had similar problem.
    http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-tec...ting-09-efi-model-bonnie-battery-problem.html
  9. b0rderman

    b0rderman Been here awhile

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    Yes, the paint has stuck really well ~6k miles and no problems. I just followed the directions on the spray cans re: temp curing in the oven, it involved multiple temps/cycles of heating and cooling...one other thing I remember doing was scuffing the chrome a bit with some 1000-2000 wet grit and making sure to use that priming coat first, then two-three coats of the granite. Best of luck to you!
  10. B02S4

    B02S4 Aye

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    Battery is likely toast. What specifically did you charge it with?
  11. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    This is my charger, a Schumacher Electric 2/6 amp, 6/12v manual charger:
    http://www.batterychargers.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductName=94026508AL

    And this is the battery, a BikeMaster TruGel that I picked up from the dealer on Friday:
    http://www.bikebandit.com/bikemaster-trugel-battery-mg12b-4

    With the battery on the charger, I can get a reading of 14.82V while charging at the 6amp setting and 13.54V at the 2 amp setting. About 5 minutes on the charger is enough to bring the battery back up to about 13.2V before it rests at 13.1V, static, and is able to start the bike.
  12. B02S4

    B02S4 Aye

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    True gel batteries need gel-compatible smart chargers. A conventional "dumb" charger intended for a wet-cell lead acid battery can fry a true gel.

    A smart charger with a gel charging circuit generally should not charge over 14.1v.

    Charging at 14.82v may not seem like a big deal, however to your true gel that's not so.

    Can you try an AGM battery?

    Can you load-test the gel battery?
  13. ZappBranigan

    ZappBranigan Been here awhile

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    SOLUTION FOUND!! :clap
    Thanks to ADVRider! :rofl

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19692637

    Just ordered my cases. Bigger inside than ammo cans and weigh less than half as much.

    $30/ea. Two cases out the door (with shipping from OH) at $74.

    Kind of a shame, I was sort of digging the ammo can look but I really don't want all that weight.

    Hoping the Duratool cases will prove 'good enough.' Certainly my cheap JC Whitney top case has proven to be more than adequate.

    I should have guessed you bastards would be just as cheap as me! :lol3

    Now I just need to get the hardware to mount it. Looking at Happy Trail and Caribou...
  14. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    While I didn't know charging at that high of a voltage could damage a battery, I did know that the 6amps of current to get to that voltage could, especially on a small 10amp-hour battery like on the motorcycle, which is why I've been charging at 2 amps. I was merely staring the ability of my charger, knowing that it was outputting sufficient voltage to charge a battery.

    The point still remains though, that if a brand new battery (having been pre-charged by a dealer) is good enough to ride around town for 3 hours or so, that it cannot start a motorcycle 14 hours later.

    This is the only battery I have. To swap it with an AGM, I'd have to buy a replacement, or take this one back to the dealer and try to exchange it. But I'm out of the country this week, so I can't do anything until the weekend. I had the battery charged and stable at 13.25V before I left, disconnected and sitting on my kitchen counter. We'll see what it drops to by the time I get back. Never know, perhaps when I installed the aux power switch, it closed something a circuit and that's draining the battery, or maybe when I bypassed the clutch safety switch. Either way, we'll see in a few days.
  15. rous44

    rous44 Long timer

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    TStorm,
    It's not your battery !!!!
    I and a lot of others have had this same problem. I can start mine up, ride for 15 or 20 miles, let it sit for an hour and it won't start. Won't start as in won't turn over. Just a click and nothing.
    This problem has been discussed on several internet sites, and to my knowledge, no solution has been found. Several years ago some Australians were thinking about a class action against Triumph because this problem was so widespread. Don't know what became of this.
    Triumph knows about the problem, even if your dealer doesn't. Several people have achieved a fix (maybe not permanent) by replacing the cdi box. Some claim it's the crank position pick up. ( Inside right engine cover) Replacing the regulator/rectifier is another solution thats been tried.
    I have quit riding my Scrambler because I'm never sure if it will get me home. I've been stranded four times. Tell me how a battery has less voltage after being ridden than it did before???
    I hope you can get some response out of your dealer because, as much as I love my Scrambler, I can't own a bike I can't trust to ride.




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  16. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    I've been reading a fair bit of stuff on TriumphRat about this, or a very similar problem, and some people have gotten it fixed by getting an "urban tune." From what I read, this is an undocumented Triumph tune that I think was meant to be their fix to this, either adjusting the ECU to allow it to start the bike at less than 12.6V, or it shutting off the ECU almost immediately after turning off the bike, instead of letting it continue to run for another several minutes. I'm already considering replacing the rectifier with a MOSFET type, which should be strong enough to charge the battery even at idle. That'd be awesome for me, since there are so many red lights where I live. I'm definitely going to be trying a few things once I get home this weekend.

    I know what you mean. There's a definite problem, even if it only effects a small percentage of bikes. I like the Scrambler, but I shouldn't have to plug it in each night like some electric car. And soon, I won't even be able to, since I'm moving to a parking garage that won't have an outlet for me to plug a tender into. I'm certainly not removing the seat, disconnecting the battery, and bringing it inside after every ride.

    Well, I kinda feel like I'm going to be on my own on this, since the dealer I used to go to no longer deals in Triumphs and my new one I think only started working with them recently.
  17. nofate

    nofate what blackflies?

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    I installed one of those switches that prevents the headlight from coming on when you first turn on the key before hitting the starter button. This eliminates voltage draw by the headlight and makes more power available for the starter which hopefully will be enough juice for it to engage. I had the same starting problems with a seemingly good battery and this has helped. After starting the bike though you have to remember to flick the red "pass" switch to turn on the headlight.
  18. wildjester

    wildjester Adventurer

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    More info on this "switch" you speak of?
    Please
    Thanks
  19. Mastodon

    Mastodon Mother F'n Dinosaur

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    I saw something like that on newbonneville.com. A "Headlight Control Module" is what they call theirs. For $30 it's not a bad price for an extra bit of juice.

    http://www.newbonneville.com/html/headlight_control_module.html
  20. wildjester

    wildjester Adventurer

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