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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by eye.surgeon, Oct 21, 2010.
Suzuki has done this with many models over the years
My 07 DR650 has been an absolute reawakening and constantly serves to remind me,
of what attracted me to motorcycles in the first place.
The only way to improve this thread is to also throw the Husky 800 into the comparison. With it's proven track record and stellar dealer support, my vote goes to the Husky...
After days of pondering what the V-Strom has going for it over the Triumph i DID finally come up with one!! ............................. My Strom is paid for!!
And the odds of finding a base model at that price are pretty slim. The majority of bikes have heated grips, OBC and ABS, so common prices are up over $13k. If the Triumph can sell a similarly equipped bike for $12k, they might have a winner on their hands.
Even given that bikes are mostly a luxury item purchase ....
Where the DL sets the benchmark is price and reliability - if it were a total POS and always in the shop (Like a certain Euro brand ...) the Triumph might get a look in, but competing with something cheaper AND with that baseline proven reliability ?.
I got my DL because I wanted a commuter I could have fun on in the weekends - at the price I could budget it as break even (V a second car) with a life of 3 years - it's now 5 years old, has 105,000k's on the clock (I now owe it money) and I just completed a 5,000km trip over 8 days without it missing a beat and cost me nothing but fuel.
There aren't that many bikes that I'd feel confident just riding off into the sunset on with that sort of milage on the clock :).
While there's a lot of emotion in bike buys - I'd point out that a lot of the fun I've had on the DL over the last 5 years I wouldn't have had on a bike that cost twice as much - I could afford to drop the DL so I did crazy things on it that I just wouldn't have done on a more expensive machine.
I'm not saying that Triumph won't sell a lot of bikes - but I'd expect it to eat into KTM/BMW and possibly Yamaha and Honda sales more than (bottom feeder ) DL sales.
Nice! Kinda what I was looking for to compare. I have to say the road version has me very interested, even though my Wee is nicely dialed in now. Just waiting for specs and price.
Nice, that's what I was looking for.
For the naysayers, we now have a test ride report, both video and a multi-page magazine article, on the 800 and lots of details. So a comparison thread with the Strom is certainly in order. In fact the MCN article compares the Tiger 800 to 5 bikes, the V-Strom 650 being one of them. Clearly this is the market Triumph is going for, albeit requiring a bump up to the next higher cost bracket from the strom.
Dragging this question back from limbo because it is exactly my thinking. My current daily rider is an 07 DL650 and I've read every page on the Tiger 800 thread, once a day mind you. Initially, with the teasers, I was ready to go buy one. Now some of the reviews and the real specs have been released and they are making me rethink. I am looking forward to more reviews and a test ride though.
Before anyone starts bashing the shit out of this thread, a little about me. Not a fan of the weestrom looks and, yeah, it's a top heavy pig sometimes but has been the best workhorse/every day rider that I have found recently. Traded an SV1000 in for my first wee, an 05 (didn't need the extra horsepower, I'm happy with around 70, and the wee was lots more comfortable). Sold that one and went travelling through Asia on my old F650 (better in rough stuff), bought an 07 when I got home. Always looking for a better looking replacement though, test ridden, Gladius, BMW F650 (800), Street triple, and a few 4's. None of them have given me a good reason to get rid of the DL650.
Things I like and want, the 650 vtwin is a gem of a motor, I've even checked out Cagiva raptor 650's. Fuel range with the 22 litre tank, love it. Seat height is fine and I'm a short arse, the Triumph might be a little better there, waiting for test ride once again.
Reason I might change, love the triple, it's a great engine and would prefer a Triumph badge in my garage. Plus they do look a better.
If Suzuki gets there finger out and actually decides to redo the Strom with looks like the Triumph or BM and keeps the same fuel tank size then they would be on a winner.
95% road riding on this one so it would be the 800, comments about why I should trade the Wee welcome.
I traded my Wee for a Tiger 1050. Better ergos, wind, handling, engine, fit and finish, seat etc. Only downside was fuel efficiency. To get a handle on that, figure out how many miles you ride, and do the math.
To get a handle on how you would fit on the new Tigers compared to your Wee, go here: http://cycle-ergo.com/
I'm in the same boat - think the Wee is a great bike and the new Tiger 800 is pretty much the only bike I'd consider swapping it for. I've no doubt the new Tiger will be a better bike in almost every department, apart from proven reliability and fuel consumption/range, it's obviously too new to know one way or the other. I intend to take a couple of testrides, wait until the middle of next year and then get one if I'm impressed and the riding position isn't too cramped.
You may be waiting quite a while before Suzuki re-do the Wee Strom. It all really depends on the riding you do. If you want to do more 3rd world touring into rough situations ... then I'd hang onto that BMW. Neither the Wee nor 800 Tiger will be as good or practical in such conditions.
If you want a road bike with power, handling and style ... I'd get the 1050 Tiger. Mega power, great handling (if set up right) and fairly cheap to run. The 800 Tiger will have more power than your Wee but there is more to it. You're looking at a whole new generation bike with the new Tiger. Everything will be better compared to the Wee. Will it be as tough or bullet proof? Who knows, too early to say.
As to whether it will be a better adventure travel bike ... just have to wait and see. You're lucky to be in the UK, you'll have new Tigers in Feb or March. We most likely won't see any new Tigers here in the USA until Summer 2011.
its all in the rake angle. hit something perpendicular with the Weestrom and you'll be jolted ... hit the same with the Tiger and you'll be vaulted over the bars with the bike cartwheeling behind you
Wow, you're a jedi!
Tell us the future you will.
Clouded the future is.
Revived from the dead thread.
I have a v650 and have contemplated upgrading to the tiger 800. I just test road an 800 for about 22 miles. Side streets, highway, twisty road. Since I don't plan on riding to Megadan Russia anytime soon I'm not to convearned about the mpg difference, in my opinion, the tiger is absolutely amazing. Amazing. The word "sublime" even came to mind on the ride. I've had 24 motorcycles, this will be the 25th. I was sold in the first hundred yards.
Congrats! I never even knew this thread existed. I almost couldn't stop laughing as I read through it. Congrats again on a great bike.