Triumph Tiger 800 XC or BMW 1200GS Adventure

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Kali Trailrider, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. Dirty bike

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    @JustKip - I am not changing my tune at all. Preaching to the choir meant about the chain being lubed. I agree it's a necessary task.

    I still very much believe that for a long trip you should be packing a chain and sprockets. But a long trip to me is 4k+. Shit happens. If you're just a day trip rider, it's moot, no reason to worry about it. You'll always have plenty of notice that the chain/sprockets are going to need some attention.

    I do agree that my wife's chain maintenance is not ideal, imho. But I also know that no matter what you do, sometimes a chain suffers a shorter life than you may expect. And that you don't find a Triumph dealer as commonly as other dealers. You can score a chain pretty easily, and if you carry the tools to break the chain and install a master link, (I won't use a clip master, only rivet), it's not a trip ender, but you might get stuck waiting if you have to get the sprockets shipped to you.

    It's just cheap insurance to carry the spares. Would you go off riding w/o flat repair tools? Same thing to me.

    @eakins - I agree with the DID chain. On the DR650 - :lol3 Load it up with hard cases and gear and come for a ride. I promise to wait for you when you can't make the hills or the wind bitch slaps you down to 3rd gear.

    Remember the OP was talking about
    That says loaded up pretty good to me, not just a giant loop and a camelback. YMMV

    Hopefully the OP will have a ton of fun on what ever he ends up on and it will meet his needs.
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  2. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Congrats Jerry! You made a good choice, you will absolutely love the bike.

    Any of the detractors here about toruing with the XC just don't know what they're talking about. It will cruise, loaded, at well above legal limits, effortlessly. And it will dirt roads with aplomb. Everyone just raves about the triple, hard to explain and describe without experiencing it. What a gem of a motor. Fit and finish, and compentry, is excellent as well. They put together a very nice adventure bike at a really good price point. At this juncture, with 5K miles on mine, the only other bike I would even consider would be a 990 Adventure, but I just don't want to deal with finicky KTM. They are a great bike though, more dirt oriented. For me, the XC still wins.
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  3. capriccio

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    Dear DIRTYSOUTH, "hell I'm not sure that they ever meant anything but they certainly don't today" when you make statement like this then YOU sound like you don't have a clue. CC's give the engine its torque numbers, RPM's give the engine its HP numbers. So CC's have always and still today have a lot to with overall engine power. Fuel injection maps today allow enginners to customize power delivery and rev range but there still is no replacement for CC's,
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  4. Dirtysouth

    Dirtysouth Stud fee waived for noobs

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    I respectfully disagree. A DR650 is a 650cc engine, whereas a GSXR600 is only a 600cc engine. Tell me in your infinite widsom, which one produces more torque and HP? :ear
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  5. JustKip

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    My '46 Knucklehead 74 had slightly more displacement than my '07 R1200GS, but only produced about half the torque. :deal
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  6. cug

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    It's just a bunch of BS, that's all. Even the F650GS single cruises at 70 to 75mph all day. No problem at all for the twin or the Tiger 800.
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  7. Dirtysouth

    Dirtysouth Stud fee waived for noobs

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    :nod

    I agree. It's all BS. I commuted up and down I-75 on my first dualsport, which was a DRZ400s. I put 13k miles on that bike in the first year I had it and never once had a problem running interstate speeds. Granted it wasn't as planted on the interstate as bigger bikes, but it had no problem maintaining interstate speeds at all.

    If Dirty Bike's wife is averaging 830+ miles over a 12 day period, it doesn't sound like she had any problems running interstate speeds either.
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  8. Rob Dirt

    Rob Dirt More or less in line

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    That has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on Advrider. Have you ever looked at ride reports?
    For the record, an 800XC will go 125mph bone stock. Does that make you feel stupid? It should. :huh
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  9. refokus

    refokus Hmmmmmm

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    I really don't think your friend has a clue here. :huh
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  10. findlj

    findlj How much fun is that

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    I've got a Tiger 800 XC. Have friends with the GS1200 and GS800. I test rode all of 'em before I purchased and have ridden the BMW's quite a bit. They're all great bikes. But, here's my take. Also, my background was in trials in and motocross before I bought the tiger.

    First none of these bikes are good off road bikes. They are simply too big. But, you can take some single track and get down it with any of them.

    The GS800 is the best dirt bike of the three. Feels the most like an enduro bike. The seat is harsh for long road tours.

    The GS1200 is a great motor, very torquey (is that a word? :wink: ). Probably the best road bike of the three. Definitely the most expensive and heaviest.

    The Tiger 800 XC is in the middle, not as good off road as the gs800 but not bad, almost as good as the gs1200 on the road. The motor is great for the road. The seat is great for the road, at least for my butt. Doesn't have the same low end the 800 GS has, but adequate. Definitely more high end for the highway. I thought the Tiger was the most versatile of the group. My dealer is why I purchased a Triumph. He's a trials guy I rode with for several years and really trust.

    Good luck. Whichever one you get, it'll do the job of adventure touring and some relatively light off road. :clap
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  11. Dirty bike

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    Don't get out much, huh Rob? It's ok, I know lots of day ride guys like you.

    The XC does sound like it's got more pep than the little GS that I have more experience with, No harm, no foul there. However, if you're going to be touring and camping off the bike, you may be doing things like adding a taller windscreen, larger panniers, packing it up with gear, etc. These things do impact the bike.

    Some of you guys talk like you've never encountered real wind and weather conditions or ridden high elevations fully loaded up, spent all day riding in wind and heavy rain or really spent all day on the road, day after day. Bragging about what a bike will do bone stock or how fast it will go doesn't mean much compared to loading it up for a trip and actually riding in sand storms on I-70 near Green River or spending all day riding across the plains in heavy winds, never mind crossing the Rockies fully loaded.

    I offered my opinion, several other countered with their opinions and some really good direct experience with the XC, hopefully everybody learned a few things and the OP made his decision. Hopefully the OP will or has actually ridden the bike and others he's considering before buying, but regardless, we've beaten this to death and then some at this point.
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  12. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    You should really consider just NOT posting...at all...just think about it. You obviously don't know anything about these bikes, so why even try to espouse that you do? So you've got some miles done, good for you. Doesn't mean you know anything about the bikes being discussed.

    I can't imagine anyone that has owned or ridden a XC that would say it's lacking in power on road. That is precisely where it shines. To use your F650 as a yardstick is just silly.

    I call it the peanut gallery.


    :stfu
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  13. markbvt

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    Just stop... seriously. You're making a total ass of yourself. Before posting you should consider reading up a bit on what you're about to post. Rob's definitely not the sort of rider who doesn't get out much.

    And furthermore I'll point out again that some of us HAVE spent plenty of time on an XC loaded down for touring, in all sorts of different weather conditions. So we can speak knowledgeably about this subject and offer real-world experience. You haven't, so you can only speculate, using a comparison that's deeply flawed.

    --mark
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    We bow to your endless experience, oh ├╝ber guru of fast motorcycles! We are clueless and need enlightening by your all encompassing wisdom. You are the only rider who has ever experienced real weather at real speed - so tell us which bikes can't be ridden in such extremes and we might even thinking about you when doing so anyways ...
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  15. milzispete

    milzispete who did what where?

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    lol :rofl there is just no helping some people
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  16. Rob Dirt

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    It's ok guys. I called him out & he has a right to respond.
    You got me Dirty Bike. The longest trip I've done on the XC is 5 days while camping. I was loaded down, but I only weigh 180lbs necked & I didn't take a passenger. I sure had fun for a bike that runs out of throttle on the interstate.
    Damn thing wouldn't go 70 with full knobbies. No way.


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  17. burmbuster

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    Dude, quit while your ahead. If its not already too late. Rob "gets out" more than most. One thing about this place is it seams to be full of knowledgeable motorcycle guys and when you make assumptions, especially outrageous ones, you will get called out. I, too, own a XC and have been on trips loaded down through wind and rain. It tours flawlessly through those conditions. It's also better off road than the "other" bike. Quit using the key board. Your making an ass out of yourself.
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  18. TigerXC

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    It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the initial question comparing two bikes, can deteriorate into a pissing contest to determine who has the biggest dick (or who IS the biggest dick). Many inmates seemingly have passionate/loyal/strong opinions, some being more well informed than others.

    I value these thread discussions and typically review profiles/RRs of posters and weight their comments accordingly.

    Good to hear that the OP has made his decision. It was the same one I made a year ago (though I had many more bikes on my original list than just the 1200GS/A and the 800XC). My lurking through this forum assisted my decision.

    Like the other 800XC owners who have posted so far, I have never found that the bike lacks power at interstate speeds. Nor does it have too much on fire roads. I have ridden the bike 2up, loaded with gear without feeling limited (btw, its suspension handles all of these conditions as well). But it is a different bike than a 1200GSA. Nor is the Tiger a Goldwing, a 250 MX bike or a super sport bike.

    Like all dual sport/adv bikes, the Tiger is a compromise. As such, the type of riding, the size and experience of the rider are significant factors and may be more important than reading the spec sheets. There are many professional comparisons of the 800XC and 800GS and both are great bikes. But when I rode the GS, it felt like I was sitting on a 2x4 plank, not what I wanted for long distance travel (others may have a higher pain threshold or are prepared to have a custom seat etc...once again personal choice). 1200GSA has a very loyal following. Has been around a long time, has completed many RTW adventures, etc, but when I rode it, I found it too big and too heavy for what I wanted.

    Congratulations to the OP on your 800XC. I am enjoying mine without any regrets. Now your next decision will be what farkles and tires...but I will not venture down that rabbit hole, it is well discussed on many other threads.
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  19. JustKip

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    It amazes me that you're still here talking out your ass.
    "Day ride guys"?
    The picture I shared on page 1 is loaded how Karen's bike crossed TX in 40-70 mph winds @ 80-90+mph, and Ft. Collins to CA...and Phoenix to Ft C, all averaging 500+ mi/day. The TX trip was almost 5,000 miles in 8 days. How much more do "real" adventure riders need? :ear
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  20. Dubl-A

    Dubl-A SuckerDucker

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    I ride 2-up, panniers and rack loaded with NO difference in power or suspension even on the highway. Wind is wind though, I even feel that in my truck. Fyi, I'm 5-10 185lbs, wife is 5-3 130lbs.

    I would suggest though waiting for the new KTM 1190. If I had any patience whatsoever...I would've bought that. Oh well, my XC is still a dream bike that never ceases to amaze in any condition.
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