Triumph Tiger 800

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by ScrambDaddy, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. MJNygs

    MJNygs El Duderino

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    5miles , the day I drove it off the lot
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    Seems to happen following a warm re-start of the engine, but does not happen consistently. Ambient temp does not seem to have any impact.
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    No discernible difference
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    Only at long stops
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    rpms will usually dip slightly and recover a few times before stalling, but sometimes will just fall off entirely - does not usually happen on non-stall stops. One way i've countered this is when rpms start to fluctuate, twist the throttle slightly to keep the rpms up while waiting for the light to change
    Sometimes, but not always. In some cases, it will stall at idle while in Neutral
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    No, cannot consistently reproduce, which makes it especially odd. Seems to want to occur just before the stoplight turns green and when you have a long line of cars behind you. Overall it is not a huge factor, just more of an annoyance - have only had it occur 15-20 times total over the 3 months and 3k miles on the bike.
  2. KildareMan

    KildareMan Been here awhile

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    This is what happens when you have an old anti static mat whispering "use me"

    Seat lock cover
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    "Hole" filler for raised touring screen
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  3. markjenn

    markjenn Long timer

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    I'll stick in my $0.02 and speculate that when a new bike design intermittently stalls at idle or when approaching idle it often has to do with the re-introduction of idle fuel on coast down.

    For emissions and fuel economy reasons, most FI bikes (and cars) completely cut fuel off on coast-down when you're at speed and off the throttle. At some point as the bike decelerates to a stop and the rider pulls the clutch, you have to re-introduce fuel to allow the bike to idle. This is tricky area of software as you can use various clues from the engine speed, road speed, and other sensors about when you likely need to do this. And you want the re-introduction to be "soft" so you don't get a lurch when you add fuel in again.

    It's possible that the Triumph's software is adaptive, meaning it changes its behavior based on how the rider is using the bike. This might be the reason an identical bike will have no issues with some riders and many issues with others. It also points to something to try if your bike isn't running well - pull the battery cable for a few minutes and see if things change.

    There may also be hardware and sensor interactions that are not properly sorted. For example, a tolerance glitch in the throttle position sensors (TPS) and wreck havoc to a system that is sensitive to this sort of thing.

    Constraining how much Triumph can tweak things is the emissions certification. Triumph can't just change things indiscriminately - they have to show that their changes aren't likely to increase overall emissions.

    Give them time and I bet they'll get it fixed. Hopefully without big tradeoffs in other areas - the Multistrada fueling fix ended up having some drawbacks.

    - Mark
  4. bross

    bross Where we riding to?

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    As in mileage, they may be able to tweak it to run better at the expense of mileage.
  5. ButtonPushingMonkey

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    Not having the stalling issue right now I can tell you what I would try as a workaround until the fix was brought out by triumph...I would get the bike nice and hot, then adjust the throttle slack such that it had just enough tension to raise the rpm by 100 or so. Then I would ride it and see if that kept it from stalling if so, great if not I would up it again. That would at least allow me to not always have the "is it gonna stall?" sitting in my head every time I came to a stop while I waited for triumph to provide an update.

    Basically the thought behind this is to put in just enough input to the tps to prevent the ecu from falling into the the bad idle mode. This is distinctly different than upping the ecu default idle speed...
  6. grZack

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    Did anyone try to adjust (higher) the engine idling speed?
  7. soph9

    soph9 Would Love to ride ALL the TIME

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    This what we are doing for now and it works for an undetermined amount of time but it works


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  8. TAMPAJIM

    TAMPAJIM Been here awhile

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  9. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    My thoughts on that is that you could make the situation worse because if it's the TPS that's at fault, as I suspect, every time you turn the key, your new cable position would be "zero" for the TPS. IMO it's the TPS zero position that's too low which is forcing the tickover lower than it should be and the engine then stalls.

    What I'd like someone to do (because I don't have the problem) is :-
    1) Before turning the key, twist the throttle and let it go so that it snaps back hard against its stop.
    2) Turn the key and let everything prime up.
    3) Press the starter button with your index finger. To make sure you're not accidentally twisting the throttle slightly when starting the engine.
    4) See if you still have the stalling problem.
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  10. Xcountry-Rider

    Xcountry-Rider Banned

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  11. Midpack

    Midpack Been here awhile

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    A couple of 9" charcoal bags on the XC. They tuck in nicely, are solid, and don't feel like they cause much drag. Al has a tail rack ready and a shorter in height top box, but I didn't op for them. I was hoping he would of done a rack that eliminated the passenger seat so you can situate a top box over the side cases or strap bags/packs/tents to. The right bag comes in another inch if you run an aftermarket pipe.
  12. Midpack

    Midpack Been here awhile

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    Be patient.:wink:

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    Is it just the photo or are they really hanging down? Looks like the Jesse boxes often look on a GS after a drop ...
  14. Midpack

    Midpack Been here awhile

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    Hope this helps any of you considering hard bags for you Tiger. I really like the rounded edges.

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  15. Midpack

    Midpack Been here awhile

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    You replied before I got the 3rd pic up. I went out just now and measured, front to back the bags cant down about 4". I loosen the quick release to see I could angle the case up, but couldn't. Then again the bike isn't loaded. I looked over at my ST2 Ducati and its bags are at the same angle. I don't have any problems with them. I also didn't have the quick release cinched up all the way, to much of a hurry before it got dark...
  16. cug

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    I don't have a problem with it either, was just curious whether it was the photo or reality. I have seen that quite often with Jesse cases. Personally I don't like the look when the seem to be "hanging", but so what?

    Don't have that problem on my GS though with the Micatechs:

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    It would be so awesome if Micatech could adopt their Pilot mount for the Tiger. But I doubt they will.
  17. Xcountry-Rider

    Xcountry-Rider Banned

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    I like the look of the Hepco and Beck cases.
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  18. soph9

    soph9 Would Love to ride ALL the TIME

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    We have Jesse luggage on both Tigers and our Beemers. Reason? No drag at high speeds, close fitting to the bikes, top loading we prefer, waterproof no doubt there and top quality. No powdercoating rubbing on your items inside the panniers, and we use the top box for commuting and trips like the one we are on. The top box, 45L fits one full face helmet too.


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  19. cug

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    It's interesting. I like your's definitely better than the Odyssey cases. I considered the Safaris for my GS, but in the end went with the Micatechs because they are narrower and the customer support experience was just worlds apart. Non-existent from Al Jesse, okay from Rick (?) at xplorermoto.com, but absolutely outstanding from Micatech.

    With a Tiger I'd probably go with soft luggage, given all the options that are out there right now don't appeal to me all too much.
  20. CarlS

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    I agree with you and the two of you have put these bikes through the acid test. Thak you for taking the time to comment here and thanks much for your great blog.


    I have not had a problem - yet. I have a little over 1000 miles miles on my XC. That will change next week by about 2000 miles. Even knowing about the stalling issues, I did not hesitate to buy my XC. This week I rode with two other 800 riders on a very hot day, mid to upper 90's F. Two of us have never experienced the stalling issue and one has. The one that has has learned how to work around it. He is riding and enjoying his bike while waiting for the fix from Triumph.

    I encourage you to go ahead a purchase the 800. You will love it. My only complaint is the heat; but that will feel good in the winter! :D