Triumph Tiger 800

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by ScrambDaddy, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. Evomx971

    Evomx971 Wave as you fly over

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    I'm 190 pounds w/o gear on, almost always have Jesse aluminum panniers on the bike, and have always had the preload on the stock shock spring at max and still felt I probably had too much sag. With any luggage at all, I had to use the manual lever on the headlight to keep from blinding oncoming drivers, even with the lights on low. Put The Girlfriend on and the spring was way overwhelmed.

    Finally decided to do something about it. Really had a hard time finding spring options. AV_MECH worked with Sasquatch Suspension in Idaho and figured out new spring rates but that suspension guy is in jail now...

    I took my own sag measurements and compared to what AV_MECH had for targets. The front was spot on which didn't surprise me as it's always felt about right. The rear had about 3/4" too much sag with no luggage.

    HyperPro lists a spring kit but feedback I got from an inmate indicated it was really stiff. I exchanged some emails with Klaus (info@epmperf.com) at EPM (which carries HyperPro in the US) and he shared that they have a progressive spring that fits the 800XC that would fall between the one listed in the kit and stock. He said the heavier spring is 141-212 N/mm and the next one down is 103-143 N/mm. I've seen some different numbers, but I think stock is around 100 N/mm straight rate.

    I really wanted something heavier but didn't have time to do a bunch of experimenting since I'm leaving on a trip soon (tomorrow actually) so decided to try the 103-143. $139 for a purple one, $149 for black. I got black. Part number is SP-MO 1198.

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    My buddy Doug at the local KTM/Ducati shop helped me swap the springs. Unfortunately his spring compressor wouldn't work with the plastic sleeve the Triumph shock has so we had to go old school and use tie downs. :D

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    Note - if you're pulling the shock out, it helps immensely to pull off the shift linkage at the shift shaft and remove the countershaft sprocket cover.

    My target sag with rider is a tick under 3". With me on the bike and no luggage, I ended up at 2.625" at max preload. I haven't measured it with everything loaded up but I think it's going to be about right. I did about 30 miles on it yesterday and it felt great. The whole attitude of the bike is better with the rear end up about an inch. The spring is going to end up still slightly soft with full luggage and a passenger, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

    On a side note, Race Tech didn't list anything for the 800, but I had sent them an email in early December to see if they had done any work yet. I got a response a couple of days ago (I had already bought and installed the HyperPro spring by then) that YES, they have products and settings for the Tiger 800's. Gold valves, springs, etc. Terry Diederichs (terry@racetech.com) was the person that responded to me. So there may be some good options there as well.
  2. markbvt

    markbvt Long timer

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    Seriously??? :huh

    I'm 250lbs, and even packed for a two-week trip I don't need to crank the preload to max on the stock shock. Did you get the bike new? If not, maybe the previous owner put a softer spring on...?

    --mark
  3. levain

    levain STILL Jim Williams

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    That's great to know. I use a Best Rest Beadbrakr. It works. It's a nice tool, but its also big, clunky, heavy and complicated considering it breaks beads:huh Those Motion Pros look like a simple upgrade, esp. if you can confirm there use on a rear XC tire:clap
  4. TerraUnFirma

    TerraUnFirma Fair/Not Balanced

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    +1 on the Motion Pro Bead Breaker...got one a few weeks ago and changed the D606 on my DRZ the other night...worked like a champ!!! Also great that the two pieces work as tire irons, so those and the MP axle nut wrench and you're good to go.

    I thought the D606 was hard to spoon on when it originally did it...the MotoZ Tractionator I put on took it to a whole new level, especially since it was cold in my garage. I wouldn't even want to think about doing a Heidi cold!
  5. Evomx971

    Evomx971 Wave as you fly over

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    Yep, I've had it at max preload from day one. Bought the bike new in April of '11 The Jesse set up is pretty heavy. I have around 13,500 on it now and I do think the spring was getting softer and softer...
  6. markbvt

    markbvt Long timer

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    Strange. I've got nearly 31,000 miles on my XC, and while both the forks and the rear shock have settled in a bit (ie, less harsh than new), the spring is definitely not too soft. I still have a fair amount of preload adjustment available if I need it, but so far I haven't.

    And no, the rear end of the bike is not sagging excessively.

    --mark
  7. soldierguy

    soldierguy Been here awhile

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    I'll chime in on the preload discussion...

    Assuming there's nothing wrong with EvoMX's bike, it sounds to me like differences in perceptions and preferences. Sounds like EvoMX likes it a little firmer with very little sag, while others don't mind things a little softer with a little more sag.

    I'm a little heavier than EvoMX (220 without gear), and had been running the factory preset of 24 clicks out on spring preload and 1.5 turns out on damping, and it seemed a touch soft to me. I've only got about 550 miles on mine so far and just reset it to 10 clicks out and .5 turns. Taking it out today to see what that does...I'm thinking it'll be a little firm and I may back off from that, but I'll know more today.
  8. fbj913

    fbj913 On the Beemer Kool-Aid

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    Triumph just warrantied my entire shock. It was totally blown out at about 15,000 miles
  9. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    What: Road run and campout near the southern coast - Carrizo Plain, Pozo, Camino Cielo
    When: January 19-20
    Who: All Tiger owners are invited
    PM: For details and meet up

    Come join a group of about 25 southern California adventure riders for a weekend overnighter and adventure ride. There are enough of us Tiger 800 owners to forum our own ride group for this event. We meet for Breakfast in Ojai, head north to Maricopa, across Carrizo Plain near Bakersfield, then the back-way dirt route to Pozo Saloon for a burger, and camping at a local campground. We have firewood and beer being trucked in for an evening campfire and great stories.

    Sunday we ride to the coast for brunch, and then make the trek over El Camino Cielo, a dirt ridge-route along the southern coast above Santa Barbara.

    Friday night a handfull of us are camping out near Ojai to make it easy to arrive for the breakfast meet up.

    It's a relaxed ride, do-able on road tires if you can handle smooth dirt roads. So roadies and XC's are fine, you just want to have some dirt experience.

    Thanks for looking...PM for more details if you would like to join us.

    Couple of pics from last year...

    Carrizo Plain National Monument

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    Near Pozo:

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    On Camino Cielo Grade

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    Views from on top...above Santa Barbara, the Pacific Ocean

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  10. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    Good on them for doing the right thing.:clap Are you happy with that Ohlins shock you recently installed?:ear Were you able to get in on the Kyle racing ADV discount here in Vendors last month?
  11. fbj913

    fbj913 On the Beemer Kool-Aid

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    I haven't ridden it yet with the Ohlins. Too much snow :cry

    No I did everything through the dealer.
  12. fullmonte

    fullmonte Reformed Kneedragger

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    Ah man too bad about the snow, been looking forward to your impression of the shock. Dan Kyle was having an end of year sale on Ohlins units last month. Did you pay more than $943 from your dealer?:evil
  13. fbj913

    fbj913 On the Beemer Kool-Aid

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    No :wink:
  14. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    You're probably near to right with that setting. I'm a little lighter and use 15 clicks out from max. The acknowledged rule of thumb on sag with rider aboard is 1/3rd total suspension travel. So it should sink around 70mm from full extension. YMMV as always.
  15. marloweluke

    marloweluke The Flying Dutchman

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    The rear shock on my Roadie lost quite a bit of it's rebound damping. When I told the dealer about it (800km away) he said he would have to take the shock out and examine it. I couldn't do that at the time because I was on a schedule, so I figured this was the excuse to buy a nice Penske aftermarket. The new shock is a great improvement. Suspension upgrades still seem to be the best performance improvement one can make. Three months later the dealer tells me my new OEM replacement shock is in so next time I am there they can install it. Weird, first they tell me they want to examine it, next thing I know they've ordered a new one.
  16. Johno33772

    Johno33772 Johnny Africa

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    It all depends what you do with bike. The stock suspension was just too soft for how I was riding it. If you jump the bike with stock suspension...you'll think you just broke it in half. If you ride single track & ride 2 up in very rough/ sandy conditions the front wants to dive under in a turn, the rear shock is all are already 40% thru the stroke when I sit on mine stock....it was like riding a Chopper. I weigh 200' race A level & probbaly been places with the bike that Triumph never really intended it to go....the weakest link on the Tiger XC is the Suspension. Hyper pro was a cheap fix & I have the heavier rear spring than Evomx971. I am going to change the rear spring out to the same as Evomx971.
    Ractech wanted way too much $ & the Hyperpro kit was the best $300 I have spent on the bike. Now I bike that feels "alive" no longer feels like a Slug offroad.
  17. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

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    I weigh 170 lbs without gear. The forks are ok even without clickers although it would be nice to be able to adjust them for "2 up with luggage". To me, the shock is the weak link. I don't want to call it cheap but its certainly not the highest quality. The stock shocks range is ok for my weight however it does not give great feedback when riding. It does its job but it could be much better.
    Did an owner questionaire last week from Triumph about the T800. One area of focus was on the suspension and its non-adjustability. Sounds like changes will be coming in the next year or so with the forks and the shock.
  18. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    It's ok, you can call it cheap. It really is crap. I also mentioned my massive dissatisfaction with the suspension (front primarily) in the triumph survey.
  19. burmbuster

    burmbuster Long timer

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    Well you know, suspension is an area that is highly subjective. If your 250 lbs plus luggage you should already know that, sooner or later, your suspension will have to be modified. So I guess my point is that the range of dampening and compression is fairly good across the board for most riders but the quality of components could have been better.
  20. T-FAST

    T-FAST Adventurer

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    Good deal on a 800xc?

    Went into my local triumph dealer to check out an 800xc. Loved it! Then they let me take one for an hour long ride, now in truly in love! I decided while I was there, to see if I can get some numbers and actually afford one. The bike after TTL and prep/destination charges is $14,566. Then they are offering $3,500 for my 2000 ZRX 1100, plus they will take off $2000 from the $14,566. That would bring what I would finance to $9066 for 60mo at around $200/mo. Good deal?