Triumph Tiger 800

Discussion in 'British Beasts: Triumph Tigers' started by ScrambDaddy, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. dwoodward

    dwoodward Long timer

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    OEM-quality spark plugs are cheap, and you may not be able to visibly detect functional issues. I once found one that would spark fine in open air, but not under compression at TDC.

    Sort of like doing a timing belt on a car- most likely you have to muck with the water pump anyway, might as well replace it while you're there, and hey, crank main seals are cheap and you're right there- why would you not replace it?
  2. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Yeah, dirt in the seals. Clean and re-grease, turn the spacer around.

    Anxious to hear abou the karoo 3's. They are a GREAT looking tire. Hopefully a LOT better than the karoo 2's - now those were total POS.
  3. Windy Rider

    Windy Rider Pussy Power

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    Yep had the same thing happen to me, replace the seal and will just have to check and clean more often when riding dirt!
  4. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    What causes this is soft alloy and dirt. IMO Triumph should have taken the time to have them heat treated to harden them.
    Only way to stop this, as far as I can see, is get some made of a harder material. Or, as I might do, is buy a new set and get them Chrome plated..........for those that are unaware, Chrome is very hard.
  5. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    I completely agree with this. I bought some Irridium plugs for my 955 but after 12K I hadn't noticed any difference in how the bike ran and I wasn't that confident about them going another 12K so I replaced them with new standard NGKs. For the sake of a £Tenner£ it just gives peace of mind.
  6. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    I've ridden the Explorer. IMO it's a good bike with great power. Handles and steers well. The standard screen works better than their taller one.
    Whilst it can do dirt roads quite well, it is, however, just too heavy to do any half serious trails riding. I think in any sort of nadgery and/or rocky terrain it'll be taking plenty of naps. A bit like the big BMWs do. The trouble with the Explorer compared to the Boxer twins is that it'll lay down all the way, rather than being propped up by cylinders poking out the side. Then you've got 270+ Kgs to pick up from a horizontal position.
    I would imagine, if you want a bike for two-up touring that can do rough roads it's one of the best tools on the market.
  7. Bueller

    Bueller Cashin?

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    When a customer was paying me 5 hours of labor to replace a timing belt I always recommended a set of front crank and cam seals. This was because it was a labor intensive job, and I couldn't "see" the hardness of the seal material or the condition of the seal lip without removing the seal, which of course destroys it.

    Things are a little different with a spark plug. I can see the condition of the electrodes. I can measure the gap and determine the amount of wear already incurred. I can (and did) re-gap them to spec. NGK plugs have a legendary reputation anyway. And lastly, if I'm wrong and start having issues I can replace all of the spark plugs in less than a half hour in a parking lot with a 5mm Allen, a 14mm socket, and a 16mm socket & ratchet. Practically any auto parts store in any city will sell me the plugs at half of the cost from Triumph and loan me the tools to do it.

    I did my 12k for less than $90 including a gallon of amsoil synthetic 10 w 40, a triumph factory air filter, and a Triumph factory oil filter. Or I could have spent $200 to get the complete service kit from triumph, dealer oil, and dealer plugs, and had a cam cover that doesn't leak just like the gasket I re-used, and spark plugs that spark just like the ones I re-used, and had that oh so good feeling of throwing parts in a landfill that were still within service limits.

    Do I recommend you do the same? Not necessarily, unless you know how to truly determine when something should be replaced. I know a thing or two about engines and felt comfortable making the decision. As always, ymmv.
  8. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    When I was last into my dealer they had a just-uncrated Explorer XC in matt green. Would have traded up that day if I could have swung the $$. I financed mine and a trade in woudn't pay off the note yet. Probably could be close to sell outright, but the 800 is such a great bike it's not a big gain for me. I don't 'trail ride' my 800 so the bigger one would just be more of the same great features the 800 has.

    I really did like the bigger brother. It comes with all kinds of neat doo-dads, really like the cruise and the comfy seat, and the driveshaft. Ah well, maybe in a couple of years.
  9. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    FWIW, I installed the latest map last week and I haven't noticed any surging. After the bottom engine mount shimming and running a bottle of techron through my bike I can say it's running as smooth as ever.
  10. Wandering Dane

    Wandering Dane We are the luckiest guys

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    My experience is different: I ordered the OEM rear fender extender from a dealer in Colorado, $29, no shipping charge. Part number and description is in the linked post.
  11. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    Same here Cug, smoothest yet. Latest map and tightened up the motor mount shim and it's butter smooth. :thumb

    Since balancing my tires the front end bounce went away too. Was only out an ounce. That was enough to feel it at 30 or so, and probably a vibration at 80. Rear was out an ounce too. Bike is on rails now.
  12. cug

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    Yeah - my bike is very smooth, no question about it. But smooth is also very subjective as I pointed out somewhere else. My wife thinks the Tiger is incredibly smooth everywhere, she has a 650 thumper. I think the Tiger is fairly smooth everywhere, but I have owned Honda V-Fours (VFR, ST1100) and twin cylinder engines. Some people might think it's just slightly rough - when they compare to a Goldwing or a K1600 six cylinder.

    And the bounce on mine never had anything to do with tires or wheels. It was suspension and nothing but suspension.
  13. browneye

    browneye PIN IT & BANG GEARS

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    That motor mount shim is what blows me away. Would never have found that myself.

    Thanks Bueller!!
  14. frytown

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    Interesting Cug,
    I just had mine in a few weeks ago for the 12K service and it came back buttery smooth. Smoother than new.
    They put tune #020650 and, thankfully, built a little play back into the throttle cable (when it went in for the first check up, the goofball mech tightened up the cable so much that smooth became a teeny bit surgey - I was too tied up with other stuff to find the happy spot and just lived with it, which is stupid since now that it's dialed, I realize I rode 11.5K with it un-dialed).
    I don't think anyone did anything with my motor mounts, but man, the bike is running like a champ.

    Best. Bike. Ever.

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  15. Oshiat

    Oshiat Been here awhile

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    Checked this on my bike tonight, the adjustable shim was not touching the motor either. Adjusted it and re-torqued the bolt, test ride tomorrow.
  16. blacktiger

    blacktiger Tigers R great.

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    I thought that some years ago when I traded an XJ650YICS for an XJ900S. It's not always the case of the big brother is better.
  17. Bueller

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    Glad it helped. Between that adjustment and the throttle body sync I just did during my 12k service the bike is the best it's ever been!
  18. swimmer

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    I'm actually happy to find out I have the shim type mount as it seems like now that I have fixed it, it shouldn't go out of adjustment.

    Just curious, do you recall what numbers you were getting on your throttle sync before adjusting? Just wondering how far off it was. At 14k miles mine were all reading the same value.
  19. cug

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    I remember that you need a cable extension for the fuel pump to do the throttle body sync. Is that correct?
  20. KildareMan

    KildareMan Been here awhile

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    You can get by with the tank resting on a block of wood at the rear

    Sent from my Tiger 800