Trying to find a 2 seat hack for the family

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Bama67, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. Bama67

    Bama67 Cooler in real life

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    Alright, so I have a really cool KLR Sputnik rig to get me into hacks and we enjoy it, but it is simply not big enough.

    So, I am looking for a 2 seat (or wide) hack that would comfortably fit my 7 and 4 year old with my 8 year old sitting behind me. We plan to do alot of touring around the West this year off the bikes. :)

    At first I thought I had a decent amount of options as most two seat rigs are Goldwings, which I am not opposed to. But then after chatting with the owner of a sweet FJR rig he brought up the issue very limited ground clearance.

    This is something I hadn't thought about. I live about 10 miles down a dirt/gravel road and cross two cattle gaps. The last thing I want to do is destroy the bikes fairings, or rip off the subframe.

    Being that all the bikes I've been interested in are across country, I dont want to screw it up and buy something that won't work.

    Does this limit me only to adventure bikes like a R1200GS?

    The bike I like most is the R1200RT, it's got cruise and all that, but I haven't been able to find any with a hack I would like (Hannigan Bandito, Kenna Double, etc) The R1200RT seems to have a bit more clearance that road bikes, and no fairings to hang low.

    Also there seems to very little out there for sale; I've been searching craigs, here, and the sidecar forum.
    Any other options or insights?

    Compared to you guys I still know relatively little about hacks or what makes a good tug.

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  2. norton(kel)

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    daveBig, DRONE, to the white courtesy phone!

    There are plenty of people here that have big road rigs. I am sure they will chime in.
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  3. szurszewski

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    We have a K1200LT rig (originally came with a 1 3/4 seat from Hannigan, but by the time we got it there was only a single seat). Before we put on properly sprung new shocks I had to be very careful not to scrape when fully loaded; once we got proper shocks AND removed the center/sidestand we had no problems - I added a skidplate where the stands had been mounted, but even in 3-4000 miles in Mexico and MANY MANY more miles all over the US we only scraped it once.

    I don't think you need to restrict yourself to a GS - we had our car on an oilhead RT before moving it to the LT - and I think a 1200RT would be a good tug.

    (Of course, if you wanted an LT rig that could fit a double seat...I might have one for sale sometime soon...)
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  4. claude

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  5. Sidecarjohn

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    Don't dismiss the Wing, possibly as good as anything for sidecar duty beyond the single passenger, human or canine, requirement.
    Some experience of the GL1800 version in Colorado, including the odd dirt road, has highlighted the big Honda's virtues.
    For what it's worth, our old GL1100 didn't do too bad hauling we two and our couple of kids around Europe for over 10 years. Four weeks camping down as far as Italy and loads of great memories. Top of the list, daughter celebrating her 16th birthday in Venice, shared with her 12 year old brother. The GL ran faultlessly.
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  6. davebig

    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    I already gave him my best shot, but one more time. I don't think a wing can be beat for the money which version I don't know.
    How's he going to use it want interstate speed capable ?
    Are they motel dwellers or does camping gear go along also ?
    Get a bandit massage it a bit for real grunt, get someones double wide add hitch and small trailer,one might be able to do the whole thing for under 17K and it would be nice, this would be an entire season project !
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    Forom HP forum 36k invested !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I went back and read his post somemore, the big road rigs do fine but the big flat faced tires tend to dance around on gravel roads.
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    A couple intrepid adventurers lost in MO , the fron rig with 175 wide tires is good till about 40ish mph then steering kind of evaporates .

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  7. szurszewski

    szurszewski Long timer

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    I don't know how to link to a specific post on my phone, but here's a GS style water crossing from last year somewhere in the south:


    If you want it in context here is the PAGE from our RR - the post is about mid page.


    http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...-the-us-with-our-kid-and-dogs.1180951/page-19

    We actually spent most of the rest of that day on really muddy gravel roads in a great wildlife refuge and came out absolutely filthy - no ground clearance issues - but I don't have any sarcastic video of that ;)
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    davebig Another Angry Hun !

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    One more thing, the big guys are trucks my big blue was 1700+ pounds loaded with gas gear etc. They don't have much in common with a KLR rig they need allot more room to stop , sidecar effect goes up.
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    SandHog Been here awhile

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    Ural sidecars are pretty tough and have been modified for and adult and extra jumpseat for dog or kid. landscape-1461252218-kevils-sidecar-k.jpg
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    RomaDakota Nixie Me

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    ^^ My friend has twin boys and we have thought about converting one like the picture above. However, I think the horizontal region above the seat cushion is structural.
    There was a guy in the FM selling drop tanks. I thought about making a tandem seater out of one of those and modify it to fit a Dnepr or Ural frame.
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    Or you could take your existing Sputnik and give it double wide surgery. But who would be that stooopid?

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    Our wider single seat sidecars like the M72C/D X, Tomahawk, Tomahawk SE, and Expedition sidecar would fit two of your children for a few years.
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    Champion Daytona 2+2 would make a good choice. I have one on a BMW R1200C that may be available.

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    ^^^
    And close to home for you!
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  15. Bama67

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    You guys have given me plenty to think about.
    The Bandit would be pretty ideal, I bought a new one in 2007 and the low end torque of those things is crazy, and they are bullet proof. No lower fairings to tear up, and easy frame tubes to get to. Ground clearance should be good because tube frame means no subframe to hang down right?
    I think a Suzuki Bandit 1250 with a Hannigan Bandito sidecar would be pretty ideal.

    The only other problem with the KLR Hack is when fully loaded with people in the car, is power. I live at 9,400' so my KLR is down about 30% on HP compared to sea level. When I rode up to Leadville (10,200') not being able to maintain good speed and trying not to get run over was stressful.
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  16. Bama67

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    That is awesome. How much wider did you make it? A few inches would go a long way in regards to hip room.
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    I made it either 4 or 6 inches, I can’t remember exactly.
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    There are two kinds of travel: first class and with children. Robert Benchley Just something to think about
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  19. norton(kel)

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    Even if you use a Bandit, you should still use a subframe.
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  20. Bama67

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    I can't exactly leave em at home. My kids are used to riding and traveling and camping all the time. They aren't any trouble on the road.

    Thanks. I've been trying to find more info on subframes and all that, but not alot of bike specific info out there.
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