Tuolumne County Fires

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  1. St.Stan

    St.Stan Been here awhile

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    [QUOTEbigger Al, do you know if the Sugar Pine/China Wall OHV area is affected by the fire near foresthill? ][/QUOTE]

    I went up there Sat. to have a look at the fire, Sugar pine is open and unburned. China Wall is open but the portion of the trails on the south side of Foresthill road is under temporary closure but unburned. The west fire line is apparently along the Deadwood Ridge road leading out to the old town site, and running east from there.
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  2. itsatdm

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    I don't know the smoke conditions in Forest Hill but they can't be good. My daughter went over Hwy 88 this morning and in places the visibility was 50ft. I have picture of Carson City and it is smokey.
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  3. High Country Herb

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  4. Bigger Al

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    It was pretty crappy here this morning, as it has been every morning since the American Fire started in Foresthill. Things tend to clear out by noon, and it's much more pleasant. The Rim Fire is making life difficult for asthmatics from Central California all the way into Canada. I did some work at CalFire earlier today, and they expect that things in Yosemite could last for another month or more.
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  5. StuInFH

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    I'm in town, overlooking the middle fork side of FH Divide. It's odd, but like Al said; the smoke comes and goes almost on a 12 hour cycle. It will clear out midday and we will go to bed with the windows open for the delta breeze, but then be awakened during the early morning hours with smoke so thick vis is less than a quarter mile, some mornings only a few hundred yards.

    We had a break for a few days and now I am wondering if we are getting Rim smoke like most everyone else.

    I saw bikes coming back from Sugar Pine on Sunday, so I guess riding is still going on, but I would contact the ranger station before heading up.
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  6. High Country Herb

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    It's the heat/cool cycle of the day. The full heat of the day causes an uplift of air over the fire, then it all comes back down in the wee hours of the morning. It is starting to lift now.
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    Such horrible stuff, I was flying in last week from the east coast and was looking forward to seeing the valley on the approach to the bay area. It was quite a surprise!
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  8. Stinez

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  9. CA Stu

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    From the same article: "Because we are in such tremendous deficit of this post-fire habitat type, especially in this area, the Rim Fire is a good thing ecologically," Hanson said. "This is not destruction, this is ecological restoration."

    Sucks right now, but necessary and a long-term good.

    Hope no one gets killed. Everything else will come back, eventually...
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  10. itsatdm

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    Tioga Pass through Yosemite will be closed at 12noon 8/28 through at least 9/1. The Closure point is between Crane Flat and White Wolf campground. Better check beyond that to see if it reopens.
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  11. High Country Herb

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    Sounds like they are using the road as a staging area for a back burn through the weekend.

    It will mess up (alter) my weekend plans, but their work is more important. I will just have to use one of the passes farther north.
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  12. Gerg

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    One of the issues of a fire like this is the sterilization of the soil from the heat. We had a very hot fire a few years ago above Kernville (MacNally Fire). That area is all scrub brush, the trees haven't returned.

    I was part of a group that planted about 400+ trees along a trail our Jeep Club maintains. It's been so dry since the fire that there is less than 5% of those trees have survived. It's going to be a VERY long time before trees return to that area.

    It's also interesting that the Rim Fire is burning through an area that was burned 47 years ago. It was heavily replanted and I went through there during the Sonora 49'er a few years back. Interesting to see an area of forest with nothing but ~20' trees. I suspect the whole thing is all gone...again.
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  13. Stinez

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    The people tasked with protecting the giant sequoias think a smallish fire through there would be good for the area.

    All of this underbrush, as has been mentioned, is harmful in the long term.
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  14. High Country Herb

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    Part of that is likely due to hydrophobic soil conditions. I don't know the chemistry of it, but after a fire the soil actually repels moisture. The first year of rain will bead and run off, rather than infiltrating. The higher runoff velocity also contributes to erosion and stream sedimentation. Expect some muddy rivers this year, with low fish counts.
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  15. St.Stan

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    The Star Fire burned a lot of area around French Meadows and even though they reseeded, the brush got a good head start. But you can see the tops of the pines sticking out above the brush, eventually they'll get tall enough to shade it out.

    I think a lot of the high intensity burning in the Rim Fire was in 20 year old pine plantations planted after the last fire. The trees are close together and have a higher percentage of needles relative to their size than bigger trees so the fire really gets going more so than a stand of mature timber.
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  16. TierHawg

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    I was up in Crystal Falls visiting my step-mom yesterday. Just depressing. The air was bad, and the roads and businesses just seemed empty. Not sure if many are going to head up 108 for the Labor Day weekend. The effects of this fire may be felt for a long time.
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    I was up in Ebbetts Pass/Markleeville and Gardnerville last weekend and the smoke was pretty bad starting below Angels Camp. I'm thinking about camping at Big Trees State Park mid-next week before heading further east and south. Any forecast on smoke around Arnold by next week? I breathed enough last week, don't want to do it again.

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  19. Stinez

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    This picture makes me think that we're going to have some serious slide issues in the next several years. :deal

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    PS Those are some heartbreaking pics. :(:


    IMO Some of these pics seem to show that the canopy can survive if we manage the underbrush.

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  20. ADVMindset

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    I hadn't heard much about the possible cause of the Rim fire until a few days ago and they were speculating that pot growers could have been guilty.....
    Well I just received a news update from a Sacramento news channel that it was caused by a hunter with an illegal fire ! What a dumbass for even thinking about having a fire as dry as it is, let alone for not tending to it properly ! They said no arrests have been made yet. I think they need to prosecute this IDIOT !!!
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