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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by ADVcat, Feb 24, 2007.
Don't forget the smaller motor.
I have the Dual Sport News that reviews the TW and XT, I can't scan it at work but I can bring it over or copy it and mail to you.
IMHO The problem I see with with the DR200 is it is not as much fun as the TW off-road and not as good a road bike as the XT, kind of the worst of both worlds.
I think the best part of the XT is it allows you do many more different kinds of riding than the DR or TW, you don't know what you are going to be doing in the next few years.
Looking foward to some local rides!
I have an XT with 1.5 miles on it! Between freezing temps and breaking my collarbone (on a WR450 in Baja), I've only had the chance to ride it from the dealer's lot on to my trailer!
I considered the same three bikes. FWIW, some of my purchase considerations were:
1) TW and DR 10% less displacement.
2) XT considerably lighter than DR.
3) XT has 6 spd, with very low 1st gear for trail use.
4) XT owners have great web site for support / questions, etc. (www.xt225.com)
5) Fat tires on TW surely suck some performance (which even ladies will want sooner or later somewhere - guaranteed), and if you get into a tight spot in mud or sand - especially if you're going slow, those fat tires look to me like they'd be a disadvantage for quick and accurate turning. (Probably someone will dispute that.)
But like someone else said - any of the three will be fun city - just pick the one that makes your heart glad!
Wear good gear and have fun!
I love the TW. I took the MSF beginer course on this bike and it rides so nicely you would think that you were on training wheels. It is like a tractor. My friend in Maine uses it for everything. From checking traps in lots of snow - to motoring up to his fishing hole. Great bike.
I've ridden both the XT and the TW and both will be down on power big time compared to the XR250. The suspension on both is a long way off an XR as well. Riderchick just bought a TW and since she's ridden with Eric I'm sure I can talk her into letting you try the TW if you want to take a trip down here and sit on one first hand. Hell she let me ride it and I took it on a old enduro race course a few weeks ago and bent the hell out of the shifter. You have to ride the TW sitting down at least I do. When standing the bars are way to low to inspire confidence. I didn't notice any ill effects in handling due to the tire but I only rode it about 40 miles. It is down on power but I'm a majorly fat SOB so this may not be as noticable for some one lighter. I couldn't climb hills in anything higher than first gear.
As you can see here, all three bikes have their attributes. I went thru this decision-matrix just two weeks ago for my wife. Here's what I learned
- All 3 bikes are relatively rare. Try a Crazedlist search of all cities East of the Mississippi and you'll find only a couple of each. And they DO sell quickly (and usually above 'bluebook' price), as they are in demand by folks exactly like you.
- Find the bike which is in the best shape and is closest to you. Buy it. Then ride the crap out've it. I'm not attempting humor here: I'm serious. In 6 months of riding you will change your riding tastes as your experience grows. It will become apparent which bike would be best for you (may not even be one of the three).
- If the right bike for you is NOT the one you have, remember how rare they are. Yours will sell fast. Your second purchase will be MUCH more informed than your first. As a reader of this list you'll notice most members have more than one bike. That's not coincidental. You will too, probably. This sport is THAT much fun.
- Above all it pays to remember that it is the RIDE, not the bike. Welcome to the asylum...
Actually the DR200 falls midway in price between the two yamahas at 3949, and I got mine for around 3700. The XT225 and TW200 are at 4199 and 3799.
The XT225 and the DR200 also have the same seat height at 31.9"
The XT225 has a 6 speed and a bit more power, however I like how the DR200 actually has a frame below the engine, not just the skid plate like on the Yamahas, plus the fit and finish on the DR200 is actually really nice, the new TW200s I have seen all have horrible welds, metal splatter ..etc. I have not looked at an XT225 up close to see if any better. The XT225 lists at 4199, so you just need to decide if it is worth 250 bucks more.
The DR200 has been around since the mid 80s virtually unchanged, then known as the SP200, another thing I like about it, you get a brand new 80's dualsport for pretty cheap.
You also can't beat the 3.4 gallon tank it comes wit, even assuming a conservative 80mpg, that is still over a 250 mile range. Some people have reported 100mpg out of the little DRs.
It depends WHAT YOU WANT THE BIKE FOR.
The TW (which I have never ridden) is a fun bike not any kind of performer.
We used to have a DR-200 and I was not impressed. I thought the suspension sucked off-road. It would be fine on dirt roads and local roads. There is very little aftermarket for the bike and while it has frame tubes under the engine, between the tubes is open (no bash plate). The only folks I found who had bash plates, either made 'em themselves, or had them made locally. I don't know why the DR comes with a bigger gas tank than a DRZ-400; a lot of these bikes aren't ridden much and it just means more gas gets old sitting in the tank, while very very few people actually are going to "need" 250+ mile range on a bike of this size and (low) performance.
From what we learned later, we should have gotten the XT for its somewhat better performance including somewhat better off-road suspension.
The DR200 is a great bike...I love the range it has with the big tank. I paid $3295 for it new in 2001 before tax and license. It'll buzz along at 55 okay. Once, going downhill with a tailwind, I buried the needle...something above 80 mph. Normally it'll top out at about an indicated 72 mph with me aboard, which is about 65 or so in actual speed according to my GPS. I weigh about 205 pounds.
It has also been incredibly reliable. I have 9,000 miles on it now. It has been incredibly reliable in spite of hard use. My wife got hers at the same time and now has 8,000 miles on hers. She said if she had to only have one motorcycle, she'd keep the DR200. It's her daily driver and also we've taken them touring in the Ozarks and Colorado. (having only one motorcycle is unimaginable to me, though)
Maintenance costs have been virtually nil...just oil and filters...and new rear tires. It only takes me about 20 minutes to tune up because of the screw and locknut valve adjusters.
The XT225, however, has the six speed transmission, and just a little more displacement, so I've decided it's a slightly better bike...for two or three hundred more dollars. It has a slight edge for highway riding. The difference is so slight, though that it wouldn't be worth it to me to upgrade...and anyway, I like the big tank on the DR200. I've ridden both a lot since my brother has an XT225. I don't ride fast off road or anything like that...I'm just out wandering and exploring, so suspension differences between the bikes just don't matter to me. I wouldn't use the added travel in a bike like a DRZ400, so I would just rather be closer to the ground. For me, it's the exploring and wandering, and it's not a race.
So I think overall the XT has the edge, unless the smaller gas tank puts you off. Another factor for me is the, ummm, Suzukiness of my garage...there's a herd of Suzukis out there and nothing else. When did that happen? It didn't use to be that way. I used to always have BMW or two.
We're splitting hairs discussing the fine distinctions between these bikes...all three are excellent. Maybe you would do as well to do as someone mentions above...get the one that feels best sitting on it, and that would be the TW200. But don't discount the DR200, I'm just totally in love with it. It never, ever sits unused.
I had debated between the XT225 and the TW200 a year ago and the XT won out due to it just seemed to be able to do a wider variety of things than the TW (I have a commute that involves highway speeds and the XT just seemed to be a little happier at 65mph ... actually the TW couldn't even get there or at least the one I test rode couldn't). I have taken my XT camping down in the NJ Pine Barrens, riding the fire roads and just basic errand running.
As far as seat height goes, being that the XT is so light and narrow, I was able to keep it at the stock height. Being 4'11" and not having many bikes that I can touch the ground on at the stock height is a great thing.
Actually, I would be really torn if I had to decide again, DR200 or XT225? The DR has been excellent. I took 'er out for a ride today.
This is the first time I have ever seen someone try to make a case AGAINST a larger tank from the factory...wow, you don't HAVE to fill the tank up ya know...geez
Wow, this is just not our experience at all with the DR200's. We use them day in, day out nine months out of the year. In terms of frequency of use, we ride them far more than our other bikes. Of course the mileage is much lower because they tend to go on shorter trips.
In fact I'm amazed at the number of duty cycles (heat up then cool off) they have been through without the slightest problem. No oil leaks, nothing. I ride into the winter if the streets are clean so the DR200 is getting started at below freezing temperatures constantly. One time I rode the ten miles home form work it was 13 degrees.
What quality and durability. Sure wish it had a six speed tranny, though. But I occassionally make good use of the range afforded by the big DR tank.
We don't get a rear disc either...
My wife recently got an XT225. We lowered it to make her more comfortable with it (5'0" beginner), and I have been really impressed. It cruises at 65mph pretty comfortably- at least no worse than my KLR. If you plan on doing any road riding, I'd consider the XT over the TW.
If the mission doesn't call for that much fuel, why carry around the tank volume, and since none of these bikes has a gas gauge, the most reliable way to know how much fuel you have is to start with a full tank.
Why not put 5 gallon tanks on MX bikes, they don't have to fill them.
But if you have a use for a big tank like that, fine. Or DR was my wife's bike, and she wouldn't ride even half the fuel range without wanting to stop in some place and take a break. So yeah, with the big tank, she could stop at a restaurant instead of a gas station. But it was not a problem for her to stop where there was gas, and besides she was probably home already and we could fill it up from the gas can. Full tank makes it even heavier (bike is only a few pounds lighter than a DRZ-E anyway, with less than 1/2 the power) but OTOH if you're not going to fill that tank, why have it.
But like I said, if you have a use for it, fine. But I think it is highly overrated.
My wife has an 06' XT225 and I have ridden it a few times myself. It does have the 6 speeds but the first gear is so low that if you arent doing alot of offroading you will not get good use out of the low gearing. I actually start out in 2nd gear on the street. Since she got the bike she has added a Corbin seat and rear rack to the bike. She plans on putting a front sprocket with an additional tooth on it for better highway riding to drop the engine rpm's.
When it came down to the XT225 and the DR200 it was just a personal preference with her.She actually got the XT for 4100.00 otd because it was an 06' leftover. Save the money and find an 06' whether it be the DR or whatever,they havent changed anything on these bikes but the colors over the last couple of years.
Yeah about 12-13lbs lighter than a DRZ400e, but one should expect half the power from half the engine size, sort of obvious, which is why it gets fantastic fuel economy and is over a grand cheaper than the DRZ400E as well, a totally apples to oranges comparison.
I still don't think the Yamahas are built as well, and I still do not like the lack of frame under the engine, that to me is a dealbreaker in a dirtbike.
I guess I bring a Pilot's perspective to the table in that the ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
Check out the swingarms...the DR has a beautiful extruded aluminum piece compared to the sloppy weld job on the XT225.
Not that it makes any practical difference.
I think the XT225 is a slightly better bike...again, not different enough to make me go to the effort of acquiring one.
Glad someone else noticed, even the little things, like the nubs where the snail adjusters click into are nice little pieces that are screwed into a tab on the swingarm, vs some welded on little sticks on the yammies.
Glad someone else noticed, even the little things, like the nubs where the snail adjusters click into are nice little pieces that are screwed into a raised section on the swingarm, vs some welded on little sticks on the yammies.
Here is a pic of the Yammie swingarm for reference, look how cheap it looks, also note the welds and general frame quailty in the pics.