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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Soldier311, Apr 22, 2015.
yep. have to roll your own.
Clearly what you need is a CR500AF
(and a neck brace)
Obvious comment. DL 650 ?.
Google search for "thinstrom", get one of the older ones, throw the heavy crap away and it's quite decent. Thing is the engine already fits the frame, ithas decent brakes (Well compared to a DR it has decent brakes :) ). Will cruise on seal all day at speed and the old DL's are still around at reasonable k's and reasonable prices.
The 2012+ DL's aren't bad either. O.K. they aren't a DR and on tight dirt roads the DR is faster, open stuff and the DL's walk away - and the big plus is that you can ride a DL all day on dirt roads already, doing that on a DR is hard work.
This...the rally raid package is not cheap but if you can find a good deal on the 500X, the combined package won't be too bad.
I have a dl650, and don't think it sounds like what the op is looking for. It's too much of a street bike for real adventure touring. Don't get me wrong, I love my Wee. It's great at what it's designed to do. Just not a dual sport.
Anything rougher than this road gets annoying. Different tires, with lower pressure, would probably help but I imagine they would melt off on the highway.
I just yesterday learned about that, and now I want one. Seems like an awesome combo.
1988-1989 Honda Africa Twin RD03 650cc
Rough. Simple. Reliable.
I think it would be hard to find something like that. Most twins I know off are water cooler these days with the exception of the GS500. I think they would be too heavy. If Yamaha could use the fz-07 platform and come up with something off road like it should come in around 400lbs. The market is ripe for it!
Rally Raid did a nice job with the 500X package, but when you look at the price of the package and related RR accessories to fully adventurize the 500X to the extent shown in their promo photos, man, you have the entire cost of building a Kawasaki 650 to similar or better performance specs...turnkey, meaning that the cost includes the bike too. takes some careful shopping, but it's not that difficult.
in addition, the 650 ptwin custom is a proven platform, traveling near and far, good roads and not so good roads. those interested in slamming together one of these kind of have their own performance "package" with well documented recipes from a growing number of builders, not just NA, but all over. source some cheap parts, build it, ride.
something like this 650 ptwin, 70+HP, FI, 6spd...
^^ If there was something "off the rack" like that ^^
I bet they'd sell a ton of them!!
not off the rack, parts from 12 different bikes there, but it's a "recipe" build, 95% kinda just bolts together. the other 5% isn't very difficult.
Yuppers! But I said "IF" because I (and I assume many others) won't spend the time doing it. I'll just buy the closest I can get and ride it.
Admittedly, it's probably not what the op is looking for, but the WeeStrom can be quite capable on jeep roads and mild single-track. You just ride it like a two-wheel jeep, not a dirt bike. (It also helps if you're tall ).
Here's my Strom just below Clear Lake above Silverton.
At 6'2 I fit just fine on the Stroms, but I would definitely have to strip it down or something due to the wind buffeting issues thatI have experienced in several test rides .
The stock screen was terrible. A Madstad bracket with a taller Givi screen eliminated the buffeting and most of the noise for me. I'm 6' 5".
Just pointing out that the DL is 'mostly there' already, O.K. it has some limitations but unlike most other options which require a lot of work before you have a rideable bike, you can start with something that works, lighten it down progressively, fit taller suspension etc.
The problem is that ALL the twins apart from the Aprilia are heavy pigs off road anyway (And the Aprilia is a hand grenade ... ), you are going to have to make compromises compared to a single in any case and end up with something that's basically a DL with knobs on anyway. I won't say you can't do better, that 950 with the SV engine was a masterpiece - but beyond most.
I've ridden with DR's, neither is that great a woods bike anyway. Yes, the DR is 'better' than the DL most places offroad, but not all. Covering serious distance on dirt roads the DL is already better than a DR.
As far as tire wear goes, the Heidenau K60 wears O.K. on seal and is adequate off road. A twin will be heavier and have more power than a single, the price is wear and tear on tires.
Am i too late to mention the weber rally twin?
Imo it looked great. But it seems it didn't sell. But at $65k a piece im not suprised.
For me the perfect bike would be something about the size of a 690 rally with about a 750 vtwin in it.
I love those modded Versys - but Justkip illustrates exactly why Rally-Raid Products have done what they have done...
The CB500X Adventure kit uses 100% brand new, top quality parts - including bespoke CNC billet hubs, triple clamp, and fully adjustable Tractive suspension components - designed specifically for the conversion. They all come together in one box, delivered to your door.
It takes less than 3 hours to fit the complete Adventure wheel and suspension kit, with no need to cut or weld or machine anything... You can be out riding later that afternoon if you like.
A huge amount of R&D went into the CB500X Adventure project to ensure that not only could the kit be fitted easily and quickly (in a home garage/workshop), but that the fit and finish match and typically exceed OEM levels; and that fundamentally the specification of individual kit components are specifically matched to create a re-engineering of the machine that does not compromise it's original integrity.
That's why it costs what it does.
Very good point. My stock CB5X handled much better and felt 40 lbs lighter than my converted (17" X 19" spokes) Versys:
I take it that is the 500X on the right? Is it un-modded, because it looks really tall?