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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Soldier311, Apr 22, 2015.
Thanks for that comparison, dog.
One last bike to mention, the Aprilia SXV 450/550 as a v-twin dual sport. That being said, I think they are not very reliable and are setup more for off road than a DR650.
'85 thru '87 Cagiva Elefant 650. One of the original "Beasts" with a 58-ish HP Ducati Twin stuffed in a heavy dirt bike chassis. I've owned one since the mid '90's, and ridden all over Alaska on it. Plenty of pics over in "Elefant Sightings".
More here: http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26864120&postcount=123
Oh, but how can anyone get by with a straight face riding a bike named after an African mammal?
Sounds like a good time
I assume beer must be involved at some point by somebody.
It's CB...beer, booze & plenty of weed is always involved.
Not a DR650, but I'm keeping my eyes on the Ducati Scrambler. Might make a capable ADV bike with some mods . . .
The Wild West on a Ducati Scrambler
2+ years later and it's still the DUCATI Sled, with Honorable mention to the CB500X RR 3.
All three bikes are misfits.
The AT became a liter bike.
The DL650 become a highly evolved Sport Adv Tourer.
There is hope with the 321cc and 689cc from Yahmaha, and the new Ninja 650 engine for the Versys.
Of course the KTM 800 would be nice.
Yes I've owned 2 SV 650's, a 03 and a 07 the engines are superior and very fast and I believe could be finessed into a DR650, the stock SV650 is 72 HP
What about a CB500X withRR3?
Answer to OP is DL650 Nekked.
The Honda is a distant second to the DUCATI.
The CB is more of a ADV Bike.
The Sled has a,
Oil cooled engine
Bulky front fork, the DR is 43mm, Honda is 41mm
Much better torque to mass ratio that the Honda lacks a lot of
Not a lot of top end speed for displacement, just like the DR
Platform to build what you want.
The Honda can be without ABS, just like all DR. But the Sled can turn off ABS, so that is a wash.
It's a shame the DUCATI and Honda are the only beasts that are in the sub 455lbs weight class to pick from.
It's kind of neat how there are some solid ratios with this three bike comparison.
With the DR200, you can up grade (DR650) to over twice the horsepower at the handicap of 88lbs
With the DR650, you can up grade (DS) to over twice the horsepower at the handicap of 90lbs.
You do not get a lot more torque at all. Unlike the 200 to 650 upgrade. But that is to be expected when going to a twin.
The torque gains on the 650 to the 200 are substantial.
I think the DS represents the apex of the marginal utility gains. If you added 92lbs to the DS to double the HP, you would be at a 539lbs and 152hp. Which is the Multi S. Enduro.
Never mind. I guess the apex is subjective.
From Max Cool. From the DUCATI Sled thread.
"I have both and switch back and forth daily. I’m an average joe at 5’10” and 210lbs.
The DR is better below 20mph, up to 60mph they are equal fun (really, there is no winner in this speed range imho), and over 70mph the DS wins clearly. Power and stability. Aand that engine!!
Rider position on the DR is much better after installing lower pegs. On the DS you have a certain reach to the bars that always makes it feel more sporty than dual sport. Which is why it may feel clumsy at low speeds. Maybe it’s just the short peg to seat distance on the DS, even with the higher Comfort Seat.
Seats are equally bad and could use improvement on both.
The DR is very easy to work on, the DS is not. Despite being a nekkid bike. Try routing back wiring in the tail section on the DS...
Suspension on the DS is king. It ain’t perfect, but it’s dam good. Could use a little more low speed damping, and a little less high speed damping. On the DR it’s meh. Serious meh. Easily fixed, but mandatory imho. Front and rear. Both spring rates and damping are designed for a sub 100llbs rider.
(And I wrote a review here)
I like both bikes just as much. The DS is faster, sexy, hipster, the DR is fun, versatile and very easy to work on.
If I had to let go one of them, I couldn’t choose..."
This is the kind of feedback I wanted!