Twin headlights

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Sparrowhawk, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. anotherguy

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    Thou dost protest too much..........methinks.
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  2. SgtDuster

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    And here's your error.

    Error that could have cost your and your wife's life.


    Like I said, anyone can make a mistake.

    But your tries and insistence at trying to rationalize the whole issue scare me a bit.


    You fucked the things up. Admit it, accept it and move on.
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  3. DesertTortoise

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    Here goes my reading comprehension test....


    How'd I do ???
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  4. Navy Chief

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    Correct Answer: Sit back and enjoy the ride without the pass, 5 mph of speed difference is going to make almost no difference in when you arrive.
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  5. scootrboi

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    not...pass?:huh
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  6. Navy Chief

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    Shocking I know....:eek1
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  7. Sparrowhawk

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    The reason I posted. Maybe somebody will benefit from my mistake.
    Fixed. Ignore my posts if not interested in the analysis.
    Quite well.
    Not my nature. It's a character flaw. Besides, 5 mph under is more like a 15 mph difference. :D
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  8. SgtDuster

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    Sorry but you don't sound like you want to analyse it to me. You sound like you want to find excuses.
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  9. bio388

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    Absolutely no need to attack the guy. He made a mistake and fessed up to it publically. Could've been a horrible accident - but at the end of the day, it was just a 'could've' experience. I've had similar mental hiccups when tired and/or in strange lighting conditions. It happens to the best of us. A good tale of caution for us all.
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  10. pdxmotorhead

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    I've experienced many optical illusions on the road over the years. Had a similar fake out a few years ago, went to pass a truck out in the middle of nowhere saw the lights at what looked like a long distance. Turned out to be two bicycles with bright headlights riding side by side in the oncoming traffic lane. The small bucket size made them look a long way off. Luckily I just didnt like the spot and stayed behind the truck, although I likely would have been fine, as they were plenty far away and the car I was driving passed well.... ;) The shock was when we tooled by and I saw they were cycles.

    was about 2:00 AM btw.. So it isn't like you'd expect bikes 100 miles out in the middle of the high Oregon desert, in November.. Tough SOB's it was about 35 out..
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  11. /dev/null

    /dev/null Been here awhile

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    At night, my brother's MTS1200 looks likes a car in the distance. This is just based on observation looking back at him.

    Not his bike:
    [​IMG]

    Note that the low beams are spread fairly far apart.

    This thread makes me want to get aux lights sooner.
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  12. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    Here's the puzzle. At 65 mph what is the minimum safe following distance behind a semi and five cars? A. 40 feet. B. 192 feet or "One Mississippi Two Mississippi" C. 192 feet plus extra Mississippi distance due to multiple vehicles ahead following too closely.
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  13. Navy Chief

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    No hard fast answer to that question, there are simply too many variables:
    - Road conditions
    - Visibility
    - Weather
    - Driver behavior
    - Speed
    - Amount of buffeting coming of the back of the semi

    just to name a few...
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  14. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    Hint: It's not the OPs two car lengths.

    C's extra Mississippi gives the Navy Chief all the cover his variables need for "safe minimum distance". Variables add, not subtract.
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  15. Sparrowhawk

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    Being from the west I prefer one Colorado, two Colorado, three Colorado. It's an interesting point though. When passing, how close to the vehicle being passed should a person be before moving into the oncoming lane? I don't remember that being discussed at driver's training. The back stretch NASCAR pass is the most exhilarating. Maybe you should start a thread on the topic. :evil

    Since were are off topic about motorcycle headlights looking like distant automobiles, here are a couple of interesting items related to motorcycle safety and visual cues.

    [​IMG]

    http://rideapart.com/2013/12/motorcycle-accidents-brain-blame/

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  16. dduelin

    dduelin Amazing grace how sweet the sound....

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    You would enjoy reading The Upper Half Of The Motorcycle by Spiegel.
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  17. Sparrowhawk

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    No mathematicians in the house it seems. This little bit of elementary algebra (from the Arabic al-jebr, meaning "reunion of broken parts") and arithmetic (from the Greek arithmos, meaning numbers) is just a warm-up to the more important question of "Just how close were those Harley's anyway?" Then we can answer DesertTortoise's question " How long will it take for my passengers to see their life flash before their eyes?"

    I have 2 semi lengths, 5 cars, and 6 two-car spaces to pass. I'm going 25 mph faster than the line of vehicles so it takes me about 12 seconds (12 Colorados)to get passed. In that 12 seconds I travel 0.3 miles of the 0.8 mile separation and the oncoming car travels 0.25 miles. If everything works as planned there is a quarter mile between me and the oncoming car when I move back into my lane.

    But things do not work out as planned. I saw what I wanted (or expected) to see, not what was actually there. On to part two.
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  18. Sparrowhawk

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    Thanks, I'll check it out.
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    You're kind of new around here, aren't you?:rofl:lol3
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  20. TinDog

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    When I'm stuck behind several vehicles and feel the need to pass, I'll drop back farther than usual from the vehicle in front of me. Back a little farther, I can see around them better, and as I see an opportunity to pass approach, I'll get a running start and pick up my speed. If timed correctly, the oncoming car has just passed as I reach the point where I have to either pull around the vehicle being passed or hit my brakes. If I proceed with my pass, I'm already at (or very near) passing speed, rather than counting on acceleration.

    Also, since I started with a little more following distance, I unavoidably make it a little harder for someone BEHIND me to initiate a multiple vehicle pass. For me there's always a major pucker instant when someone tries to pass me the same instant I'm changing lanes to start my pass.
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