Twisted Throttle Denali "D2" LED Lights now on sale

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  1. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    Hi All.

    There was some interest in our (Twisted Throttle's) revised Denali D2 LED Auxiliary Lights. Well.... We just got the delivery confirmation for tomorrow Friday, May 13th (2011)! We have held off on pre-sales and wanted to let you guys who have called know they are available.

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    As you can tell these are round pods. We heard from our customers that the squre pods were nice but a bit too angular for motorcycles. We listened - hence the round pods.

    The Denali D2s draw less than one amp per pod and have 70% more "Luminous Flux" (aka visible brightness) than our Denali "D1s". This is achieved with "Prime Drive Technology". This The Prime Drive increases the efficiency of the light emitting diode while maintaining the lowest possible amp draw. Incorporated in this revision is a bunch more technology including Electronic Thermal Management, Pulse Width Modulation, and the optics have been improved to 90% efficiency for added distance and accuracy. It is safe to say that these lights are going to kick some serious ass. I'm thinking these may be the precursor to a true Light Saber. Since we intentionally designed the D2 lights to work with our existing Denali D1 mounting hardware we have a bike-specific range of mounting solutions already figured out for most of the popular and some obscure bikes too. Look at the application Chart on the product page for mounting notes: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/6158

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    Like the D1 Kit the D2 Kit has everything you need to wire up and install the lights including:[/b]
    • 2 x Denali D2 LED light pods
    • Wiring Harness with Dimmer Module, Relay and Lighted Switch
    • 2 x universal M10 mounting brackets
    • 2 x multi-link connectors[/li]
    • 2 x 'Euro' driving beam lenses (20 degree beam pattern)
    • 2 x fog beam lenses (40 degree beam pattern)
    • Installation instructions

    PRODUCT PAGE : Denali D2 LED Lighting 2-Light Kit with Full Wiring Harness and M10 Mount

    I don't have a lot of pictures or any video of the D2s. Everything up until this point has been unfinished samples and not appropriate for photography or motion stuff. I will have them in my hands by mid-day tomorrow (Friday May 13, 2011) and I will get as much eye candy up as quickly as possible.

    Kev
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  2. kantuckid

    kantuckid Long timer

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    How many lumens? I'm certainly no light guru but lumens are a number that other sellers throw out & would like to compare.
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  3. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    What I can tell you is that the D1 produces 900 lumens and that the updated D2s has 70% more perceived light. I have some tests from an independent lab of the D1s and D2s and the distance and intensity values comparatively are incredibly different.

    I will get a better answer for you shortly.
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  4. 5cats

    5cats just jd.

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    Figures: my D1 kit literally showed up yesterday. :baldy
    Guess I'll put it up for sale, but first...

    The product description includes, "the light is dimmable with the use of a separate controller to allow for optimum flexibility"

    Is this dimmer module included in the kit what looks to be a mountable switch in the picture?
    Can you make the install instructions available online?

    On wiring:
    I understand one possible (default?) wiring option is to have the D2s switched "on" with the bike's accessory circuit (or parking light), and use a sense wire to the bike's high beam to auto-toggle full power to the D2s. But it looks like the kit comes with a nifty red/green-light-indicated on/off wired switch, so I imagine that's there as an option to manually toggle the high/low D2 output?

    I'm really interested in a manual 3-mode switch:
    • OFF -- regardless of the bike's accessory
    • ON/LOW -- independent of the bike's high/low beam setting
    • ON/HIGH -- independent of the bike's high/low beam setting
    Can you recommend a suitable switch for that, if the supplied one can't do the trick?

    I already have a switched power source available using a fuzeblock FZ1; what might the wiring configuration be in this case?
    It looks like the kit includes some short wiring harness parts that plug into the D2 and terminate with bare wire after maybe 12 inches. How are they used?

    Cheers,
    -jd.
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  5. Cheddarhead

    Cheddarhead Perenial Noobie!

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    Interesting that you have used the lens to control the illumination field....typically that's done using the reflector.

    Any ADV discount or group buy oppt'y? I'm looking to add lighting to two different cycles.
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  6. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    A lot of good questions here jd.

    Let me explain the term "Dimmer" - many people may assume this refers to a dial that allows you to infinitely control the brightness along the 0 to 100% power range. It is actually not what dimmer means in this case. I think you understand this but I want to clear it up for everyone else. A better term would be "Control" box. These lights are best described as Dual Density effectively High and Low beams.

    Here are the instructions for you to download for reference: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/filemanager/download/3172/ Please refer to page 3 and 4 for the meat of what I will discuss.

    At this stage in the game we have offered you two wiring options:

    1. Standard Dual Density - (high and low beams): In this wiring configuration, Denali D2 lights will function perfectly in sync with your original headlight. The D2 low beam (40% intensity) will come on when your motorcycle is turned on, and the D2 high beam (100% intensity) will come on when you switch your high beams on. To turn the D2 light system off entirely, simply press the lighted on/off switch.

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    2. Full Intensity - (no low beam): In this wiring configuration, Denali D2 lights will function at 100% intensity (high beam) independent of your motorcycles original headlight. The integrated switch will allow you to turn
      your D2 lights on and off at 100% intensity only.

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    There are 4 total wires to wrangle with one to the Negative and one to the positive lead on your battery (or fuse block - if installed). The other two wires are blue and white. The images above were pulled from the downloadable PDF and can be seen much better there.

    I am sure I didn't answer all of your questions but I hope this info helps. Fire a few more at me. This is great information for everyone else.

    Kevin
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  7. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    We do have a standing group buy policy. It requires a "ring leader". Since you want them for two bikes it might be worth your time to do this. Take a look at it on the bottom of this page: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/article/view/79 If you're interested call our Customer Service department and they will coordinate with you. 401-284-4200

    Kev
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  8. 5cats

    5cats just jd.

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    Thanks for the good info, Kevin.

    I looked over the install pdf and found this smallprint:
    Please post when it's available !

    It looks like the control box has a relay built in, along with some other PWM driver bits plus the switch logic; I like to figure out how to use my existing switched power source with integrated relay (fuzeblock.com) to trim some bulk from the D2 harness. Maybe that will be evident from the install tutorial... running out of room to stash little boxes everywhere !

    The instructions show a 20A fuse from battery to control box: really? I'm thinking a 5A fuze is ample, unless the control box is also a heater?

    Group buy: don't think I can wait much longer to get these installed; would twistedthrottle take a trade-in on still-in-box D1 kit?

    Cheers,
    -jd.
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  9. Kenbike

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    Nice set up, but I want to run off my 10 amp aux circuit and see one reason to have a 20 amp unless some type of inrush power draw happens with this system.
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  10. kantuckid

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    Actually, using a lens is really common these days
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  11. Volta

    Volta Fuck Cancer

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    I've also got a couple bikes to add lights to, count me in if a group buy happens.
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  12. univibe88

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    You and me both :lol3

    I haven't installed mine yet. They are sitting on my dining room table.
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  13. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    To install this with the Fuzeblock you would just snip the connectors off of the positive (along with the fuse) and negative lead on the existing D2 wiring harness and plug them into the Fuzeblock. Then add a 20a mini blade fuse and you are cooking with gas. I do not believe that this control box is a heater as well. Apparently you have an extensive electrical/lighting background. Are you by chance a manufacturer?

    As for swapping out the lights. Not sure what our policy is on this what you can do is call our Customer Service line and they will be able to help you. 401-284-4200

    Kev
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  14. 5cats

    5cats just jd.

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    The wiring seems pretty obvious now, thanks for spelling it out for slow-folks like me.
    I'm still don't get the 20A fuse though -- seems these things draw < 1A each light. Two lights makes it less than 2A, plus whatever the control box draws. I'd expect the control box to draw milliamps, and there doesn't seem to be any extra startup load.

    :rofl hardly! -- on both counts !
    No, I'm just a typical dude tinkering in the garage, trying to understand how I'm going to install these new lights without handing my entire paycheck over to some mechanic.

    Thanks for your patience with the questions, Kev. Are the D2s shipping now?
    I already have a "SW-Motech Auxiliary Light Mount" on the way for my 1200GS -- anything else I need for the install?

    Cheers,
    -jd.
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  15. wesplains

    wesplains Been Heading West My Whole Life.

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    I would be interested on a set, depending on the price and finding a way to mount on myy ZZR1200.

    Thanks.
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  16. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    I just did an install today on a R12. I can tell you that the white wire is the high beam wire.... Since you have the light bar already I would say you are cooking with gas. I took the plastics off of the right side of the bike and ran it inside of the sub-frame and under the tank.

    Kev
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  17. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    The price for the D2s is $349.99 and I am pretty sure you could use the M6 fender mount kit which is effectively 2 brackets that replace your regular M6 front fender bolts.


    A cheaper alternative that would use the same M6 mounting point would be this:


    Just check your fender bolts. if they are M6 you are all set. We also have similar hardware for M5 and other sizes.

    Look Here: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productlist/865/
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  18. 5cats

    5cats just jd.

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    Good to hear.
    I arranged to have my D1 set credited for D2s from my local dealer (thank-you-rick-johns! :D )

    So Kev -- on the r1200gs install -- did you tap into the high beam for a hi-power sense switch per the instructions? or did you find a "better" way to switch low-high?

    My wish: a 3-position version of the supplied 2-position waterproof piaa-like manual switch. Any suggestions on such an animal? Then I'd only need to supply the switch with accessory-on sense, and use it to manually turn OFF/LOW/HI without any tapping of the actual highbeam or add yet another toggle.

    Cheers,
    -jd.
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  19. twistedthrottle

    twistedthrottle Been here awhile

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    Hi JD.

    I did tap the high beam as per Option One - Standard Dual Density - (high and low beams)

    Just had a long talk with our chief designer on just your question about the 3 position switch. There was a conscious decision made to keep the system simple for safety sake.

    Currently when you power up the lights you are done using the auxiliary light switch we provide with the kit. From that point forward you use the existing and most recognized light adjusting apparatus to control the amount of light used. We did not want riders to be acclimating themselves to controls that are not normally there on most motorcycles. If you think about it there are a bunch of possible combinations afforded by a 3 position switch:
    1. Denali HIGH Motorcycle LOW
    2. Denali HIGH Motorcycle HIGH
    3. Denali LOW Motorcycle LOW
    4. Denali LOW Motorcycle HIGH
    5. Denali OFF Motorcycle LOW
    6. Denali OFF Motorcycle HIGH
    Now if you look at some vintage bikes where you can turn the headlight off.... things just got even more complicated. As a guy who rides a lot of vintage junk I can tell you that the last thing you want to do is fidget with lights while trying to wrangle an old slow bike that speeds up when you grab a handful of brake lever.

    Besides safety we also did not see any common situation where you would want to use the Denali high beams where you would not want to include the motorcycle high beams as well. Granted with a little creativity you may be able to generate a few situations where this would be reasonable but for the most part - if you need more light.... then more light is going to be better. If Denali Highs and motorcycle highs is just a bit too much you can kill the Denali D2s and just use your highs.

    If your concerns are for the complexity of the installation. Have no fear. I am here to help. The only real skill I employed to finish this installation properly was a lack of fear. I have done 2 Denali installations: D1 March of 2010, D2 May of 2011. This was plenty of time to forget everything I learned the first time. I intentionally did both installs with no help. The hardest part was finding the courage to get started. I looked up the wire colors online in about 2 1/2 mins on (ADV rider). With the aid of the Posi-Taps I had the wires connected quite easily. I swear I will be here to help. When you buy from Twisted Throttle you get the benefit of our experience. At some point in time everyone here installs products on bikes. We like to stay current and be able to answer customer questions with the voice of experience. Like most riders love to share what we learn.

    I hope this answers your questions -We're here to help.

    Kev
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  20. redbike13

    redbike13 Adventurer

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    With the new D2's around, is there any chance that the price for the single D1 modules will be reduced?

    I'm looking to add a couple more to my 800GS, and would be interested in some more D1's if the price was a little better than the ~ $125 on the twisted website.

    Thanks!
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