Two losers ride the TAT

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by crazybrit, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    (I wrote this all up last night, but the advrider.com database crashed!)
    We tried to get an early start to day 7 to avoid some of the hottest parts of the day. We got up on schedule, but Tony didn’t sleep well, and was a bit off for the first part of the day.
    The route climbed out of Richfield over a red-rocks and sage/piñon ridge and brought us into scrub-oak country. Looking back toward Richfield:
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    A few more cows:
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    A little work on the KTM under the oak trees, trying to slow down an oil leak:
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    There were a bunch of fence-line jeep roads, then we went on an ATV part of the Piaute Trail. Actually, we followed a bunch of this Piaute Trail, starting between Salina and Richfield. According to Utah.com, "South-Central Utah's 275-mile long Paiute ATV Trail is a loop trail with no beginning and no end! It passes through several towns and has side trails leading to others. Dirt Wheels magazine rated the Paiute ATV Trail as one of the 15 best trails in the country. It has been rated as one of the top 5 trails in the country by ATV Illustrated magazine. Many riders consider the Paiute Trial to be the top US trail." The main loop is over 200 miles long, and there are, according to a different web site, over 800 miles of marked side trails.
    The start of this section (which according to another ride report, is not actually on the TAT, but which our El Cheapo GPS track definitely wanted to follow) has a width limit:
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    The ATV trail was a bit more than Tony was ready for when he wasn’t feeling really awake yet. The photo doesn't show how steep this descent was, and the loose stuff caught Tony out. Then I dropped the DRZ trying to park it:
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    Later, it rolled over some hills -- cool!
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    We took a lunch break in the park in Kanosh. The friendly lady at the Mercantile there guessed right away that we were TAT travelers. We bought some lunch and ate in the town park. Yesterday was an "off day" for me, it's Tony's turn today:
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    After Kanosh, we headed into the Fish Lake NF. Looking back toward Kanosh:
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    We wound around and over some of these ridges:
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    Eventually we crossed under I-15. Shortly after that, the roads got straighter, and dustier. We could see Crystal Peak for many miles before we finally got to it:
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    Eventually the road goes right to the base of the peak:
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    From there I think you can see into Nevada:
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    Welcome to Nevada! The orange stake says “State Line.”:
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    The Silver Jack Motel and Lectrolux Cafe in Baker:
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    Baker, NV, pop. 52, sits in the Great Basin’s Snake Valley, one of the longest valleys in the US. We crossed the Continental Divide earlier in the trip, so rain falling west of of there is supposed to drain to the Pacific. However, the Great Basin has no ‘drain’ — all precipitation that falls here either evaporates or drains into the ground.
    Further, according to the Lectrolux Cafe’s menu, Nevada has 314 mountain ranges, making it the most mountainous state.
    The Silver Jack is a funky but cool place. A large beer selection and wifi are among the The Silver Jack/Lectrolux’s attractions:
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    Good thing there is wifi, as there is no cell service at all. A couple other attractions include the baked goods and cooler items:
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    There were a few semi-permanent residents just outside the door to our room:
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    Stats for Day 7:
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  2. Easy-Z

    Easy-Z Me wanna be

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    I remember talking to you on ADV the day you were there. :D

    For some reason this picture makes me think of middle-of-nowhere Nevada and the deafening silence. Just like AJ, wish I was there right now.
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  4. crazybrit

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    Middle of nowhere Nevada. I think I can help you out there :D

    Ok, so we're up early because the restaurant opens at 6.30am. I think we're up at 7, plan is to eat, put on new filter skins and be moving around 8am. There is however a minor problem, Lectrolux cafe is locked, no sign of anyone inside. Ok, we'll load up the bikes, do the filter skins and they'll be open soon. By about 7.45am we're starting to consider bailing upto the Border Inn when finally around 8am, the managers of the Lectrolux decide to open. No "sorry we're opening late" or anything like that. Oh well, breakfast of home made granola and yogurt was pretty tasty.

    We gas up at the Sinclair, which I believe is also owned by the same person who owns Silver Jacks and we're off.

    Here is the route for today:

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    Almost right away, we can't find the track. We wander around for a couple of minutes but we're starting to be seasoned loser's when it comes to TAT routing, if at first you can't succeed, rapidly give up. We detour on Hwy 21 for a mile or so (we're pretty close to Garrison) and pick up the trail on the other side of Pruess Lake.

    First third of today is pretty much two track through the sage within the Great Basin, great riding.

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    Big Springs ranch:
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    The Troughs:

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    Checking out the map, at this point we're a few miles from the long straight down Indian Springs Fence Line Road:

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    We're making pretty good time, the riding is pretty easy but you constantly have to scan ahead, washes running across the track are common place. We're standing on the pegs probably most of today and the visibility helps for sure:

    Indian Springs Fence Line road, Patterson Peak in the distance.
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    There is a big bike bypass around this next section. Right as you approach Patterson Peak the trail becomes very hard to follow and you're zig-zagging through trees on what used to be a road but is now probably only passable on a quad. I wish I'd taken some pics here. Someone (maybe Docking Pilot?) had marked the initial part of the trail with yellow construction tape which was great :thumb

    Here is the only pic I have from this section which was taken a few minutes in where the trail flattened out for a second:

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    Gouge Eye Well, between Patterson Peak and Patterson Pass:

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    Patterson Pass:

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    After Patterson Pass, we drop down to an intersection of some larger dirt roads and we start heading North to Ely on Cave Valley Road:

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    I think at some point just after here some kind of bug gets under my Koerta and starts nibbling on my back. I pull over and start stripping off. Shortly after Brian bends over and one of his contacts falls out. Brian is pretty smart and computes the approximate vector and distance the contact would have gone in the wind so we spend 15 minutes grubbing around in the dirt looking for it. Just as he's about to give up he discovers it nowhere near there, rather it's sitting just under his rear tire. It's windy so I get to try and block the wind as he cleans and reinstalls. Unfortunately there is a problem and the lens isn't working? Initially Brian suspects its in backwards but it turns out he put it into the eye that already had a contact :D Anyways, it was all pretty amusing.

    We get moving again and shortly after I come around a bend in the road, doing maybe close to 45 and there are 6 cows in the middle of the road. Brian doesn't show up and I realize I missed a left turn, so I head back to find Brian waiting at the intersection. Silly me, I got all caught up in a nice fast road where we could make some good time ....

    We turn West towards Lund which is West over the next mountain range over mostly jeep trails:

    Basque Canyon:

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    A steep rocky downhill near Lone Pine Swale. I dropped the bike here, I couldn't figure out why and neither could Brian:

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    We start descending town towards Sawmill Canyon:

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    Sawmill Canyon:

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    Over the range and a short straight section into Lund:

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    We stop for lunch at Whipples Country Store in Lund. It has gas (87, no premium). It's pretty packed when we get in, we're both tired. My blood sugar must be low as I'm a teeny bit cranky. There is one guy working who has to handle the prep, cooking and also the register for the grocery part of the store. As a result it takes *forever* to get our food, eventually it arrives, the food plus a few refils of sugar water help banish my crankyness.

    As is often the case in towns, the routing is messed up. We ride around Lund for a bit, Brian seems keen to stay on the track. We get stuck at a dead end in someones private property. Brian takes a detour down a drainage service line. He gasses it through this ditch but it's way deep and the next thing he's 10 foot to the left and the bike is on top of him. Fortunately he's unhurt:

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    I have a different idea so I turn around, get back to the highway and head North towards Preston. One more issue where a diagonal road is basically long closed but pretty soon we're on the route again heading NW on country road 10 which is fast well graded gravel as is county road 11. Eventually we split off 11 and head North on some FS roads towards the California Spring FS Facility. Lots of open range ranching here:

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    We're close to US50 now. I see a truck heading across it at one point, seems maybe a couple miles away. We stop for a pic:

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    Couple miles is on the direct route but of course we don't go that way, rather we head West. It's fun two track, standing on the pegs, fast:

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    Eventually we end up at US50:

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    We head East on US50 for a couple of miles where the trail then heads North. It's late by this point, we have maybe 30 minutes of daylight left. We decide to press ahead but we both agree there will be no major offroad night riding on this trip :rofl Just after the trail turns West at Lagari Well, I stop and discuss with Brian that maybe proceeding isn't smart. We have maybe 20 minutes of light ahead, we can see it's raining hard over the mountains. We're at 5921 feet and Newark Summit, the highest point on the road is 7469 feet and probably 25 miles away. We decide to turn back and take US50 into Eureka. Probably a good decision as it's twilight shortly after we turn onto US50 and fully dark/raining for the last few miles into Eureka. Losers!

    I'd forgotten how small Eureka is. Somewhere in the back of my head I recall thinking about making a reservation but my buddy Toddler had assured me we'd need no reservations for the entire trip (this was right before he made a reservation for Salida :D). It's also Saturday. As we roll through town we see that the Sundown has no vacancies. Only other option is the Best Western. They have 2 smoking rooms left, $100. Ouch. Brian unpacks while I go upstairs to give the rooms the sniff test to figure out which is the least obnoxious. I'm not entirely convinced Brian delegating this task to Dr Gasoline was his smartest idea but I give it the old college try.

    Room is nice, spacious. We hit the hot tub for a while. Then head out for dinner. This would be the start of our mexican run. La Fiesta is the universal recommendation and it's probably some of the best Mexican I've had it a while.

    Today was a great day. One of the top 3 days of the trip for me (the other so far being Green River to Richfield).

    We get back from dinner and hit the sack. Tomorrow we have a short day planned to Battle Mountain where we'll do some bike maintenance.
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  5. toddler

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    It is fun to see your pictures and read the report. Pretty much the stuff I remember from doing the TAT. Keep it up guys:clap
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  6. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    This was a really long day for us, but also really neat — crossing mountain ranges, then flat valleys to the next range, it was fun. You really felt like you were covering a lot of country, and the variation helped keep thing interesting. Wonderful weather today, too -- the thunderstorms kept things cool.

    We tried to get an early start, but the Silver Jack/Lectrolux folks, who were supposed to open for breakfast at 6:30, didn’t open until almost 8:00. Then we ran into navigation problems only 5 or 10 miles out of town -- the tracks were trying to route us on a Soil Management Area boundary. That is, a line on the map which is not a road. We are getting better at knowing when to give up, though, so we found a way around after only 20 minutes of wandering around.

    Back on track again, I took this video clip. The track goes south out of Baker to go around a ridge which apparently does not have any roads going over:

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    There's a fancy gate at the Big Springs Ranch:
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    Now we have turned the corner around the south end of the ridge:
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    We made really good time on some parts of day 8’s route. It is funny to be able to see exactly where you will be in several miles. This is Indian Fence Line Road:
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    Going over the ridge near Patterson Peak, the road does get quite sketchy. I think the only traffic it gets is TAT travelers, and we were grateful that some ADVRider put some yellow ribbons on the trees near the beginning because it's pretty hard to tell which way it winds around some of the trees. Here it is once it becomes a bit more obvious:
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    Strangely, Patterson Peak is not on the same mountain range as Patterson Pass, so we didn't get to this sign until after crossing another large flat valley:
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    The trail turns north for a while after Patterson Pass, going past Mount Grafton. It was here that one of my contact lenses fell out while I was trying to find the bug that was biting Tony under his spine protector. It was a comical moment in Loser Land with Tony frantically wriggling out of his riding gear while I was trying to find my contact in the dirt.
    After spending a long time looking in the wrong place for the lens, it ended up being right next to my rear tire. Then there were some tense times trying to put the lens in -- every time I would get it onto my finger in position, the wind would blow it off. When I finally got it in, it turns out I put it into the wrong eye -- Loser!

    Once we got that straightened out, we went up and over another ridge on a stock watering jeep road. Some fun stuff on this one:
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    Eventually the road descended into a canyon which got narrower and narrower toward the bottom. Starting to feel some time pressure, I tried to quit stopping for photos and only took a couple on-board videos:
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    Toward noon the weather started getting hot, but then it clouded up and we went through or near a number of thunderstorms, and they kept the temps pretty reasonable. We ate a late lunch in Lund. This was a gas station, store, and restaurant all in one, and only had one person working, so service was very slow:
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    The tracks were really screwed up after crossing the highway north of Lund. They had us turning down the driveways of some ranches. At one of them, a guy in a truck told me "if we headed out that way and circled the ranch house down to the road with the power lines, it would go through to the north". The way he had pointed showed as a road on my GPS, but turned out to just be the edge of this field. It looked like maybe we could just follow the track of the giant sprinkler system and get down to the power line road. I think I was fiddling with the GPS, which is why I crashed after this little puddle turned out to be almost three feet deep: (Tony's photo)
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    Luckily it was just a matter of losing traction with wet tires on the grass and the only thing injured was my pride, but the Loser quotient has been rising today. We gave up on that particular bit of track and tried one other route which turned out to be gated before heading back out to the highway. Immediately off the highway, we ran into another problem where the road had been closed. So finally we got out past Preston and started making progress again.

    Finally Highway 50 started appearing on the GPS screen if I zoomed out a ways. It felt like we were getting closer to Eureka when we went over another ridge and started dropping into this valley where there had been a fire:
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    Unfortunately, we were not close to Eureka at all. The track starts winding around going through a bunch of gates:
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    Some of the little two-track roads are marked "Lincoln Highway" or something, but we're sensing the lateness of the day now and don't have time to investigate. After passing through some active mining area, the track wants to cross a creek and head off into nothingness again. We follow the main road out to US 50 instead, and head back east to pick up the TAT again. If we took the highway into town, it would be less than 20 miles, first west, then north. But the TAT goes first north, then west across another mountain range. We head a few miles up the TAT to the north, but finally call it quits with 30 minutes of daylight left and it is clearly raining on the mountains:
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    We went back to the highway and headed into the rain at twilight. Gas got a bit interesting at this point. I think our GPS track said that we had only 200 miles today, so I didn't get gas in Lund. When we turned around my odometer said 210. I hit reserve on the DRZ at 217 miles, and we ended the day with 229, still not sure what my ultimate range is.

    Stats for day 8:
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    While Tony picked up one of the last hotel rooms in Eureka, I took some pictures of our rear tires. My Kenda K270:
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    Tony's Dunlop D606:
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    I wish I had thought to take a tire picture the night before in Baker. I noticed in Baker that Day 7 had really changed my K270. That morning it had looked "just broken in" but by that evening some of the shallower wear bars were just gone. I think the rocks near Crystal Peak must be extra sharp.

    Finally, I also noticed the next morning that my FilterSkin had obviously moved during the day:
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    I'm curious exactly how this happened, as the DRZ clamps the filter on pretty tightly. Not a good sign, but I didn't see any dirt inside the filter.

    We walked to a mexican restaurant with a bit of a strange vibe, but the food was really good!
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  7. catfish

    catfish Squidicus Adventurous

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    MAX speed all day was only 60.9 mph!?! REALLY?!? :huh

    Man, y'all are a couple of SLOOOOOOW Losers(tm)! :rofl I guess that's what happens when you two travel without Gustavo, huh! :evil

    Thanks for the great ride report! It would be really cool if you could finish it this month. :clap


    Catfish ...
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  8. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    Yup, slow and loser-ish. I think I did mention something about the DRZ back on page 1:
    A true 60 (indicated 65 or so) really is about all the DRZ is happy with. Yeah, it can go faster with that gearing, but... Subsequent desert trips will either have different gearing or a different bike.

    The other bummer thing about being a Loser is having to catch up things at work and stuff which was neglected around the house over the summer. I tell you, being a Loser is tough sometimes... :rofl
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  9. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    We had another fairly short day coming up, so after the late arrival last night, we just ate and hit the hot tub, leaving air filter skin changing and other stuff for the morning. The Best Western breakfast was way better than the Super 8 breakfast. Tony wanted to give the KTM some mechanical attention -- I think the chain adjustment was on the morning of Day 8, not sure what it was today. Anyway, we had parked in the covered entry to the Best Western the night before along with several other motorcycles because it was raining the night before. By the time we came downstairs to work on the bikes, all the other bikers had departed.
    Being at the hotel entrance, we attracted a few questions, then the hotel owner showed up. He was quite a talker, but he did have a few questions. I thanked him for letting motorcycles park in the covered area, and he then offered a spigot and hose across the parking lot if we wanted to spray off the bikes. Tony was trying to maintain his "Utah adobe tank protector" on the KTM, but I gave the DRZ a quick spray to knock some of the mud off -- the bike must have lost 5 pounds!

    After gassing up, we finally hit the road around 10:30 I think. Several other ride reports have described lots of gates and other problems with the mine just outside town, so we just got on 50 and picked up the TAT where it crossed the highway. This started as easy straight stuff across a large flat valley, but as we neared the center of the valley, some parts of the road were really muddy from the rain yesterday. As Tony suddenly found out, it was the type of mud that can be really slippery. Some of it was pretty deep, too. My bike washing efforts were soon canceled out by the massive amount of roost I had to throw to get across a few sections.

    This is the one place where we definitely needed knobby tires. At one point Tony started wondering about turning back and finding a detour, but a quick check of the map showed that any detour that ensured a better road surface would have been a long way around. In any case, after only three or four really bad sections, the mud got scarcer, and soon we were back to dusty roads again.

    I didn't take many photos this day, and didn't get the iPhone out in time to capture any cool mud pit action videos. We were just crossing more flat valleys and small mountain ranges -- most of the photos would have looked like any other part of Nevada anyway.
    Soon it was my turn to have a bug biting me under my shoulder armor. We pulled over near the Three Bar Ranch to sort that out. Later I got some video near the dry lake in Grass Valley:
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    After we went over that pass, looking back toward Bald Mountain:
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    Onward we went into Crescent Valley:
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    The perfectly flat-topped "mesa" in the center of this photo is part of a mine, probably the Cortez Gold mine -- should have used some zoom on this one:
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    After passing another isolated ranch and going over another small pass, we went over the Maysville Summit. In the video narration I thought the mountain was Battle Mountain, but it is actually Mt. Lewis:
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    We dropped into a narrow valley with a few fun water crossings, then came out to the large flat valley where the town of Battle Mountain is. We were on a fairly nice gravel road heading straight for the town, but the TAT calls for a turn onto a bouncy little pipeline-laying road, so it took another hour to get into town. We arrived just after 4:00 on a Sunday -- it turns out the NAPA in town closed at 3:30 on Sundays, and Nelson's Racing and Repair is closed on Sunday. Tony had stocked up on Mobil 1 for the oil change we had planned for the evening, but I needed something 15/40-ish to put in the DRZ and Tony was hoping for air filter oil. I found some semi-synth at the gas station.

    We ended up staying in the Owl Club Casino's hotel. It was cheap and not too bad.

    Tony did some dumpster diving and found an empty five gallon container of vegetable oil with a lid to dump our used oil in. I foolishly used the other disposable tin cake pan to drain my oil into. Of course it leaked, just like the one in Moab, so it made a big puddle of oil in the motel parking lot. It ended up looking like the DRZ Valdez had crashed there -- Loser!
    Eventually I got a bit smarter, and we found a bunch of cardboard to spread out and cut another vegetable oil container in half for a drain pan. I even found a pillow in the dumpster to sop up oil.
    I also cleaned and re-oiled air filters and filter skins, and it was hot and dry enough that they actually dried pretty well outside. It was quite a busy evening. We did laundry, and then tried to make reservations for the next night in Denio. Unfortunately we were denio-d, so we made reservations at Fields Station instead, and Tony plotted a course on his GPS which headed more directly toward Fields, leaving the TAT a bit west of McDermitt.

    We finished it off with another meal at another mexican restaurant -- El Aguila Real.

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  10. Scott_PDX

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    Enjoying your ride report.

    Remarksman, is this a new DRZ for you? Didn't you have a yellow one at the Blackdog?
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  11. RAZR

    RAZR u may run the risks my friend but I do the cutting

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  12. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    Hi Scott!
    It's the same DRZ -- I had the stock yellow tank on for the Blackdog, but I use the black 3.9 gallon tank on long trips.
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    slowpoke69 Been here awhile

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    You guys have taken some great pix, I've always wanted to be out that way instead of stuck here on the east coast. You've made this a must do for me! It reminds me of when I used to just wander around on weekends when I was stationed out west. So damned wide open you see for miles, beautiful skies and all.
    I actually went to look at the Honda 650 XL yesterday, nice bike.
    Sorry for the sidetrack, great job guys, looks like you had a blast!:clap
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  14. trailrider383

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    Dumpster diving? That has to be in the top ten of "How To Be A Loser".:rofl Great job so far on the report and pics. I am enjoying it. :clap
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  15. Baja Ho

    Baja Ho Been here awhile

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    Any updates on this great report. :ddog
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  16. crazybrit

    crazybrit Long timer

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    Sorry, I've been undergoing intensive psychotherapy for the last 2 months ever since Mike questioned my lack of speed-cohones .... it led to some kind of psychotic break, let me tell you, it was ugly .... it's wrapping up now and the Doc tells me I'm cured ..... so I'll get my half of the day to Battle Mountain added ASAP so Brian can continue on.
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  17. Ladybug

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    I drove through Battle Mountain a few days ago and thought about the losers that still haven't finished their ride report. I figured you are busy riding and had no idea of these ohhhhh so very odd issues you're having. :lol3

    Still waiting for the rest of the report, this one has been a lot of fun so far. :clap
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    That would be hit me as HIGHlarious, if only it didn't have such a ring of truth to it... :wink:
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    todd83-900t Been here awhile

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