Two losers ride the TAT

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  1. crazybrit

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    alright, lets rock it on .....

    So as Brian mentioned today was to be a short day as I needed to change the oil on the KTM. We got a late start as usual and wasted some time talking to the hotel owner. Brian had decided to wash his bike so he was all clean whereas I decided to try and see if I could maintain the adobe tank protector I picked up in Utah all the way to Oregon.

    We knew there were some routing issues. It's pretty common on the boundaries of towns where development has changed things since the route was originally mapped. Since the sections leaving town are also not that interesting we continued with our scorched earth take no prisoners approach (huh, what? losers?) and just rode out on the highway until we intersected the trail as it crossed over US50 near Hay Ranch.

    The trail heads north through the Kobeh Valley. It had been raining a lot the night before. There is a point on the map named Mud Spring, near there I see the road ahead is boggy. We ride through it for a while on the gas and eventually there is a small area of dry road where I stop. I tell Brian that this is going to suck if it's like this all the way across the valley. What I should have done is keep moving and stay on the gas. The section ahead was way deeper and I'm not going fast enough. Bumf and I'm down.

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    Fortunately things quickly dry out. We were probably on riding on wet stuff for a couple of miles.

    It was shaping up to be a beautiful day. Not too hot and we kept up a decent pace (though probably not decent enough for Catfish :D) as the roads were sandy and the bike was moving around a good bit.

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    After about an hour we leave the sand and the terrain gets a little rockier, hear heading towards McClusky Pass

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    Then after the pass we head North, along higher rolling terrain towards Grass Valley

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    Just before the Cortez Mine the trail turns NW towards Caetano Ranch and Bald Mountain

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    Then it's back into another valley heading towards Rocky Pass. Here, looking back towards Bald Mountain

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    At this point we start playing tag with a brewing thunderstorm. It looks like we're going to get wet but we seem to always be one step ahead.

    Picture of us both, Rocky Pass ahead

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    Looking back from Rocky Pass, thunderstorm building

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    View towards Maysville Summit

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    I stopped for a while and just watched the thunderstorm before deciding it was a good time to keep moving so Brian was a ways ahead. I stopped for a quick pic at this cool looking tree

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    I caught up with brian at Maysville Pass.

    Looking back the way we'd come

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    Brian snapped a pic of me and the mighty Katoom

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    We're now almost at Battle Mountain. Pretty soon we're on a straight fast road and I can see the town just ahead

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    but this is the TAT so you can never just do things easy, it's time for a 5-mile 30-minute detour on some fun stuff. We start off along a utility maintenance trail. It's two track, sandy and deep in places. Cool shot of the trail and the storm

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    Then we turn back towards town through the desert, fun stuff

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    We pull into Battle Mountain just as the storm arrives, it's windy, dust and debris is blowing everywhere. We were going to stop at the Napa for Brian to get some oil (I was carrying mine) but it closed. As Brian said, we elected to stay at the Owl Club in downtown. We swung by Nelson's Racing & Repair hoping somehow they might be open but they weren't.

    Most of the PM was spent changing the oil. Brian covered the details of this. My buddy Toddler had clued me into the dumpster diving so I can take no credit for that but it did work out well. It was also warm enough that we were able to wash/dry all our laundry.

    As far as the oil goes, it's supposed to be easy to change oil on the DRZ and hard on the KTM but judging from the relative sizes of the toxic waste field under each bike I'm not sure this is correct :D

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    The room was basic but it was the first time I'd been propositioned by a hooker on this trip so you can't complain. It was Mexican food again, El Aguila Real.

    After dinner I stopped by the casino for a single malt and managed to leave $5 up. Long day tomorrow so we tried to get an early night.
  2. todd83-900t

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  3. RAZR

    RAZR I'll cut ya

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  4. crazybrit

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    Sorry for the delay, was vacationing with the Euro-trash for a few weeks :D Okay, in case anyone is still paying attention we'll continue .......

    So yesterday was a short day (for maintenance). Today was going to be a long day. It turned out to be one of the top three days on the trip for me (the others being Green River to Richfield and Baker to Eureka).

    One of the challenges we had as we got further West was figuring out where we were going to stay overnight, how far could we push in a day. Camping would solve a lot of this but opens up new problems of ensuring you always have supplies.

    Our original pre-trip thinking was that we would go from Battle Mountain to McDermitt and then McDermitt to Lakeview. Somewhere around Eureka I think we decided that McDermitt to Lakeview was going to be too long of a day (I think reading Docking Pilots report) so we hatched a plan of Battle Mountain to Denio and then Denio to Lakeview.

    I knew Denio Junction was in the middle of nowhere but I wasn't expecting that it would be fully booked when I called. They suggested Fields Junction to the North (in Oregon). I called Fields, they had a room to spare. They asked what time we thought we'd be there as they closed at 6pm. Probably sensing what was to come, I said "after then" :lol3 so they said they'd leave the room open.

    After this I sat down with the Benchmark maps (very glad we brought them) and with my Garmin 276c GPS and entered in a triangle route that would detour us NW from the TAT to Fields and then SW from Fields to rejoin the TAT the following day. It calculated out as saving quite a few miles over going to Denio and then North on the pavement. I had no idea what the roads would be like but they looked major dirt :D

    One of the other detours we planned for the day was to Paradise Valley. Again from reading Docking Pilot's report.

    Here are the maps showing the standard TAT route:

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    Once again we'd read about nav problems heading out of Battle Mountain so we elected to head directly North on Izzenhood road and at Izzenhood ranch, head west to rejoin the TAT.

    Izzenhood road:

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    At this point things got a bit confusing. I had the Garmin CityNavigator maps loaded onto my 276c and Brian had some homemade topo maps he'd downloaded for free off the Internet. His maps showed that there was no connecting road West from Izzenhood ranch to the TAT. My maps said there were plus the Benchmark showed it also. The last time we had a discrepancy between our various GPS maps, his were wrong so I decided instead of turning West earlier we'd push onto the ranch. When we got there there was a road but it was marked private. Rats. So we backtracked.

    Pretty soon we're on the TAT and the riding is excellent two track crossing the desert:

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    I think we're at the Lower Clover Ranch in the following two pictures but it could be the Hammond Ranch. Maybe Brian knows:

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    After we're back to crossing the desert:

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    Fairly certain these two pics are between Hammond Ranch and Kelly Creek ranch. Lots of mining going on:

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    Soon after arrive at Kelly Creek ranch. I don't have very good pictures here, hoping Brian does. I took some but erroneously purged them when my memory stick filled and I was trying to make space.

    We rode around for a bit as the tracks were not obvious. We came across a creek crossing. This isn't my pic, it's stolen from another ride report which we'll get to in a bit:

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    I think this picture is actually the one we crossed over, the other to the left was impassible, far too deep. To the right it was obvious someone had cleared away the brush. I waded over and it looked pretty easy. On the far side of the bank someone had layed some planks down over a muddy area.

    There was a steep drop into the creek and the bed was very silty. I was concerned if I went in too fast I'd bury the front wheel and go over the bars so I took it easy. Didn't have any problems except I didn't quite have enough speed to make it up the far bank and stalled the bike with the front wheel up on the far bank and the rear still in the creek. Restarted and made it up with no worries. So a bit more speed was needed. Brian heads over and makes it up onto the far bank but he has too much speed and loses it into the bushes. I had a video of this but deleted it :cry

    On the far side is an abandoned cabin:

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    Inside we found a dead battery, a pair of battery cables and an interesting note on the wall:

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    One Less Harley was the guy I mentioned earlier who'd posted saying he had a hard time in Black Dragon Wash. His ride report here and here discusses the creek crossing. One of the thinks I liked about the TAT was finding mention of other Adv riders along the route :thumb.

    Our two bikes parked on the far creek bank:

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    After this it's back to the desert heading on a detour towards Paradise Valley:

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    Lots of interesting mining going on along. I thought I took a pic of one of the digging rigs but I guess I deleted that too. I stopped to ask them what they were mining for. The owner of the Best Western in Eureka had told us it was the richest county in Nevada because of all the mining, I assumed Vegas would be :dunno). Anyways, they basically drop the rig, dig a pilot hole and see what interesting things they find:

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    We're maybe 10 miles from Paradise Valley when the road turns into deep soft sand for several miles. Fun:

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    Brian riding ahead on the last stretch:

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    Pavement into Paradise Valley:

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    Most people have seen these on previous reports but here we go again, lots of old abandoned buildings in the town:

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    The plan was to stop at the Paradise Valley Bar where we'd be able to get some food and follow the ADV tradition of marking up a dollar bill for the wall. Only problem is that it's closed. It's a Monday:

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    We sit down in the shade and munch on a couple of granola bars. There are no hours posted. We wonder for a while if maybe it'll open up shortly. A few locals pass, tell us that the owners live next door and finally one person tells us that they get out of town on Mondays. I go for a walk and a guy stops and offers me some beers :D Across from the bar is an RV park where we refil our water from their pump/well. Nothing else in the town so I guess no food till McDermitt.

    The plan is to ride upto Hinkley Point. It's a main dirt road up there but for the far side I consult the Benchmark map and plot us a route into the GPS which takes us along Buckskin Drive. It looks minor but the gps maps show it connecting with the TAT route.

    We probably rest there for an hour and a half, maybe a bit more. In hindsight this was too long :evil

    Heading up to Hinkley Point:

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    Cool views plus as we gained elevation it helped cool us down:

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    Following Brian. The road gets progressively more washboarded the higher up:

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    At the summit:

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    Hinkley Summit 4H cabin:

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    Pitch black inside but flash lit it up ok. Not sure who uses it:

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    After this we're moving again. Pictures heading down the far side on Indian Creek Canyon Road.

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    After about 5 miles there is a main turning to the right on NF-531 which is the shortest way back to the TAT (heading East). Instead we continue along Indian Creek to the junction of Buckskin Drive:

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    Start of Buckskin Drive, looking NW towards Quinn River Valley (US95):

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    It turns out that Buckskin Drive isn't much more than a fence maintenance trail going over a series of peaks but it sure was fun riding.

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    Crossing one of the many wire gates:

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    We're way up above the TAT at this point which is a couple of miles to our East in the valley, this is looking NW:

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    Dropping down over one of the peaks:

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    Climbing again:

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    And again:

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    I don't have pics of many of the descents. One was long and very soft. I was tired and dropped the bike, I was pissed as today I think was looking like it would be the first day I'd not dropped it. About this time Brian stops me and tells me that his GPS maps show this as a dead end. Mine of course show it going all the way through. Given this mornings discrepancy this isn't great news but neither of us fancy going back to the junction plus it's past 4pm and we're not even at McDermitt let alone Fields. We elect to press on and fortunately my maps are correct this time:

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    One final drop down towards the TAT:

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    Back on the TAT:

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    At this point I'm out of pictures as my memory card filled up so it'll be text only but hopefully Brian can throw in a few pictures. I seriously wish I had some as things are about to get interesting.

    We're on road 529 on the map following Long Canyon. Similar terrain as before. Finally we reach the ID cabin on road 83 and turn left towards McDermitt. This is a much more major road, we start seeing some wildlife including some wild mustangs. After about 15 miles on road 83 it turns to pavement. I'm going probably 50 and I look down and notice that the Spot has turned itself off. My other half isn't too worried about this stuff but Brian's wife gets nervous when the spot isn't working, I'm looking down wondering how long it's been off and turning it back on when out of the corner of my eye I see a pack of about 20 wild mustangs approaching fast from my left side. I hammer the front brake and I'm down to maybe 15mph when all 20 cross the road directly infront of me, the last maybe 5 yards in front. Scary scary moment caused by not paying attention.

    We roll into McDermitt. The only food at Fields is Fields Station. It closes at 6pm. We decide to grab a sandwich to take along plus some beers. I'm not sure exactly what time it is (maybe Brian knows) but when we pull out of there we have maybe an hour left before sunset and according to my GPS track it's 69.2 miles to Fields.

    We start of heading West along Disaster Peak road. It's paved for the first part, then fast dirt but the sun is very low in the sky directly in out eyes. Still I'm riding as fast as I can. The one thing we swore we'd try and avoid on this trip was riding at night, not least because the KTMs headlight sucks.

    Disaster Peak Rd is actually part of the TAT route. Finally we get to the detour I plotted and the plan is turn head NW up Trout Creek Road. My thinking was that it had a name, so it was going to be ok. It stated off ok and progressively got narrower and rockier. It's almost dark at this point and I'm riding about as fast as I can get away with Brian is behind but I stop every so often for him. I stop at one point and he takes a while to arrive. When he does he's not looking too good, hit a rock and went down hard. Hard enough to shear off both of the DRZ's mirrors.

    At this point we're on Trout Creek Mtn Road which is a narrow trail and it's basically twilight. We run into some hunters. We know this trail eventually hits a more major road but we ask them what the trail is like until then. "About 5 miles and it's shittier than this until then". A couple of miles later it's pitch black. I stop as I notice the SPOT has turned itself off again, also I need to remove my fender tube bag to give the anemic front headlight some chance of working. We continue along, it's longer than 5 miles but we do ok. Finally we reach Whitehorse Ranch Road (CR-203) and we settle into a steady 35 mph for the about 10 miles until we reach the pavement and head North on Fields Denio Rd.

    We pull into Fields about 9.30pm. The room is open. There is a guy hanging outside who turns out to be fellow inmate XXX. We break out our sandwiches and beers and sit outside talking to him for an hour before hitting the sack.

    A couple of screen shots from Mapsource showing the detours (TAT is shown in pink, detour in grey) I have these as gps track files if anyone wants them. Uploads are disabled right now so if you ever do, shoot me a PM.

    The Fields detour was great, it would have been better in daylight but the following day rejoining the TAT was really great riding, stay tuned!!


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  5. Ladybug0048

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  7. s1marks

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    +2 This is such a great ride report. Please keep it coming.
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    Almost to the end.....:D
  10. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    So, once you start falling back into work habits, and the holidays come up, there really isn't a lot of time for ride reports. But we'd better get this thing finished before the summer comes again!

    We left Battle Mountain on a sort of main road, since a number of other trip reports had mentioned a wash-out of the TAT route just outside of town, and said it was difficult to find a way around. We took a main ranch road. As I looked back the way we came, I had to stop for a photo of the "BM" we were leaving behind:
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    After a bit of confusion due to my GPS map saying to join back with the TAT one way, and Tony's claiming another, we got back on the TAT after only a few miles. Then it was a lot of miles of stuff like this:
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    Those sorts of tracks got us from one ranch to another, with lots of emptiness in between. Here's a couple short clips of wide-open spaces:
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    We'd get on a graded gravel road for a half a mile, then turn off onto another little track. Eventually we showed up at the creek crossing at the abandoned Kelly Creek Ranch. Our GPS track was, once again, not terribly clear, and we blew some time circling around, trying to figure out exactly where we were supposed to cross the creek, and none of the options looked that great. Eventually it ended up being the brush-cutting work of One Less Harley that showed us the way to cross.

    I didn't take any photos of the crossing as I played "catcher" for Tony, and helped pull to get the back half of the bike up out of the creek. Tony took a movie of my crossing, and it was pretty un-graceful -- too much speed hitting the big "step" of the far bank, and the bike kind of wheeled out of the creek and into the bushes. The important thing was that me, my camera, and the phone all stayed dry! Well, and the other important thing is that Tony managed to erase the Movie of Shame, so my Loser record is not as bad!

    We spent a few minutes checking out the abandoned cabin:
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    Finding One Less Harley's battery and message inside:
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    Leaving a "new reply on the thread":
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    And snacking a bit under the cottonwood tree:
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    That might have been a decent serving of adventure for one day, but we were just getting started, and still had a long way to go to Fields. So we probably should have been moving faster. We closed the gate at the Kelly Creek Ranch:
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    And headed north.
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    Lots of rolling hills to cross (yeah, CrazyBrit is in this one):
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    We finally arrived in Paradise Valley, but the Bar was closed:
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    It was quite warm in Paradise Valley, so we hung out in the shade of their front porch for a while. It was lunch time, and I had been hoping for some lunch. Fortunately we had a fair number of snacks and energy bars along to eat, and we refilled on water. It was a bit odd, as the town was very quiet and partly abandoned, but there were a few people out and about.

    I had pasted the following bit from Docking Pilot's report into my 'notes' file:
    So, that's what we decided to try. Tony found a some connecting roads on his GPS, and we headed up the hill toward Hinkey Summit. The road up was kind of a fun, with some nice switchbacks. I passed someone coming the other way in a truck who basically stopped when I passed them, Tony said they went on the wrong side of the road when he met them. You can see this truck and Tony at the very beginning of these short clips:
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    (first is part way up Hinkey, second is at the top of Hinkey Summit, third is several miles north, at Windy Gap.)

    Hinkey Summit:
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    As we headed north from Hinkey Summit, I looked back and realized why it felt soooo much cooler at the top -- there was snow right around the corner of the pass on the north-facing slope:
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    When we got to Windy Gap, we turned off on what started out looking like a mining road, but eventually became more of a fence-mending road. It was a fun road, but we went down a couple of really steep slopes with lots of loose, kind of shale-like rock, that I did not think would be easy to go back up. Not too far past that, my GPS map said we had left all roads behind, and were just wandering around out in the "blank" spots. Given the hills we had come down, going back would have been grueling. Nothing to do but keep following this little track, and hope Tony's map was right!
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    Finally we rejoined the TAT route. It wasn't much different than the track we had been on, but we spotted some wild horses. Managed to get the camera out just before they crested the ridge:
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    We finally started coming out of some high ground down into a valley:
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    I noticed at one point that I had some flowers stuck in my brake pedal:
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    (Hi, LadyBug!)

    We finally got a closer view of some of the wild horses:
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    But it was a bit sad, because the only reason we got this "show" is because the closer horse could not walk at all on one leg, and may have been lame on another one. The other horse broke my heart a bit, guarding the lame one:
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    It was only a few miles after this that Tony almost ran into a herd of twenty or so horses. I was behind him... at first I was debating whether I could possibly get my camera out before these horses took off, then I started wondering why Tony was trying to run into them as the crossed the road! Fortunately he braked in time.

    We arrived in McDermitt around dinner time, so we had some sandwiches made at the gas station/grocery store, and we stocked up on some beer and sports drinks. I chugged a whole 1.5 liter bottle of some blue drink while some "Burners" hitchhiking their way to Gerlach chatted with us in the parking lot. I called my wife with the "we're headed to Fields where we may not have cell reception" message, and we headed off into the setting sun.

    We started out on Disaster Peak Rd, which is part of the TAT, but we turned off onto Trout Creek Road since we were spending the night at Fields. Tony had plotted this route into his GPS the night before. These roads were really dusty, and with the sun in your eyes, visibility for the second person was a bit of a problem. At the same time, we were trying to keep the speed up to go as far as possible before dark.
    Trout Creek Road road started out looking like the "main route" that is shown on the Benchmark Atlas map, but it slowly turned into more and more of a jeep trail. Also, the few times that someone had actually repaired washouts or particularly rutted sections, they hadn't updated Tony's GPS map, so at one point we tried to go up an 'obsolete' road section before figuring out that we should have been "following the road", and Tony managed to dump his bike while trying to turn around in the ruts.
    I had been hanging back a bit because of the dust, but we started coming up on a bunch of intersections, so I tried sticking closer to Tony. That ended up being a bad decision, as I hit a large rock that I did not see at all due to the dust and lighting conditions. I crashed with the front wheel going hard left, and the bike slamming down on right side at about 25MPH. I was lucky not to be seriously injured. I tore up my jersey, but the body armor saved my arm. I got some abrasions on my hip and side. The right side mirror broke on a rock, and I think I took the left side mirror clean off with my arm or shoulder. I should get a new helmet. Also lucky was that, other than the mirrors being gone, the main damage to the bike was that the handlebars were crooked.
    It took a while to get the bike back up, gather the broken pieces, and get going again. I think by the time I made it to the next intersection where Tony was waiting that the sun finally went down.

    Eventually the DRZ's stock lighting system proved its value, as we plodded over rocky tracks for several more miles before finally coming out onto a graded road, and eventually into Fields. We worked out a system where I would follow just behind and to the side of Tony so he could actually see something. With some careful riding, that worked out pretty well.

    The Fields Station, which serves as hotel, gas station, cafe, and grocery store, seemed deserted when we arrived, but soon fellow ADV'er Taranaki showed up, and we had a nice talk while we ate our sandwiches and drank some beer at a picnic table in the dark. What a day!
  11. Ladybug0048

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    Good job on taking the time to enjoy the flowers along the way. :thumb
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    What kind of bags are you using Remarksman? They look bigger on the sides than the giant loop bag that Tony has. Can your carry more stuff or is it just an optical illusion? :D
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  15. Remarksman

    Remarksman Been here awhile

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    From my post back on page 1:
    With this setup I can definitely carry quite a bit more volume than Tony's Giant Loop (I can't remember which model GL he has, but it's not the smallest one). The DRZ's rear subframe is stouter than the KTM's, and I have a PMB aluminum rack that holds the duffel, and the DirtBagz come with metal 'holders', so all in all, there is a fair bit of luggage capacity that seems stout enough to put up with the bumps and vibes.

    (Note: the DirtBagz themselves can hold a fair amount, but in total, a bit less than a Giant Loop -- it's the combo of DirtBagz and a duffel on top that gives a lot of capacity.)

    I recommend against bringing too much stuff, though -- the more you bring, the harder the bike is to ride. Also keep in mind that luggage on the rear of the bike is going to be subject to washboard and general bumpy road vibration. I have a battery charger, for example, that I kept in the duffel bag which now has some strange wear marks from stuff it was packed with. (Fortunately the charger still works). "Sensitive" stuff rode in my backpack, since it's a lot less vibey there.
  16. crazybrit

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    Thanks for the information, I did not know they were not waterproof. In the pictures it looked like it was all one piece but I went back and can see the waterproof duffel now. Great rr by the way!!!!!
  18. K_N_Fodder

    K_N_Fodder Long timer

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    Location:
    Ten Sleep, WY
    I want to grow up to be a loser like you guys!

    Very nice RR, lots of detail and pictures. I'm impressed that you're able to finish it off after so much time has passed, that takes work!

    Quick question - how much "interaction" with private land/landowners did you have on the Western TAT? I hate ending up on private land and am curious how easy that would be.

    I'm also impressed and a little terrified that you did Trout Creek in the dark :eek1. I did it going the other way last October and ate it pretty good, even while paying attention in the daylight. It really made me realize how quickly things can go from great to bad out there.

    Really nice people in Fields, we ended up bumming a few cots in their back room. With our new found time we managed to go out and get stuck in the middle of the Alvord Desert that night. I don't recommend it.

    [​IMG]

    Yes, I guess we're losers as well!
  19. NorthernTraveler

    NorthernTraveler Long time Adventurer

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    The Big Mitten
    I'm the guy (with a couple of helpers) who marked the Patterson Peak section.

    We marked it late August 2009, glad to see the markings are still there.

    You guys skipped some of the more fun parts of the TAT - at least that you've talked about so far.

    And you got what you deserved following those ripped off brit tracks! LOL... if you've checked around here you would have seen that they are off in more than a few places....

    And you've proven once again, the TAT is an adventure.... you never know what you're going to run into even if you read every ride report there is, because it keeps changing...
  20. crazybrit

    crazybrit Long timer

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    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Thanks for doing this. We'd have figured it out on our own but it for sure helped.

    I'd be curious to know what these were. And no, I'm not asking for tracks :D

    Well, since Sam doesn't offer gps tracks they cannot by definition be ripped off.

    Before we started we knew we didn't want to navigate by rollchart and now having done it, I definitely know we had no need for a rollchart. I own a rollchart holder and I know how to navigate using it. The combination of gps tracks, two gps' and the pages from the benchmark maps was more than sufficient (for us).

    If Sam offered gps tracks I'd have bought them off him but he doesn't. If he offered a way to donate without buying anything, I would have made a donation, but he doesn't.

    The whole concept of being forced to buy maps you will never use and spend time translating them into mapsource (for the format I want) makes no sense to me.

    I think this was the point for us. Neither of us were that interested in being "TAT purists". We're not in the slightest bit bothered that they were off. The only day when they really caused us a problem was outside of Green River and looking back on the events that was one of the most fun/memorable days we had.