Ultra rugged Kyocera phones,GPS smartphones ..my guide

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by PDX Alamo, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. webmonstro

    webmonstro A Aventura Continua....

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    The app I use alows you to set and lock in all 4 positions
  2. webmonstro

    webmonstro A Aventura Continua....

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  3. wbbnm

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  4. webmonstro

    webmonstro A Aventura Continua....

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    There may be Others that do the same .
    I just set it once and it starts automaticly on startup so I never mess with it
  5. Emgo

    Emgo Started on a CT70 almost 47 years ago

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    Jim,
    I had high hopes that I could have one device for a smart phone and GPS combined. I could sell my Montana and buy another Kyocera for a backup. Looks like It’s not going to happen for me unless I find a way to stop the overheating while still using all features of the phone. My holder is the finger style. It has plenty of air circulation and it still overheats resulting in the screen dimming. I have determined it requires a combination of two of the following items to cause enough heat to dim the screen. Charging seems to be a big contributor but not enough on it’s own to overheat the phone. I list this first because the reason I chose Kyocera was the external charging pads and this would allow me to supply power to phone at all times and I wouldn’t have to worry about a dead battery. I'm charging from the USB at time. I was going to build a holder that would utilize the pads but I think a holder would only add to the over heating problem. I think the biggest contributor to overheating is searching for cell towers. It seems that alone may generate enough heat to dim the screen, I haven’t proved that yet. For sure charging and searching for cell towers will dim the screen so much it’s almost unreadable on a sunny day. I don’t know how to stop the phone from searching without switching to airplane mode, then it’s not a phone. Now add in the heat generated by the sun on the display. I’m sure most of us have a left a phone in direct sunlight for a few minutes and seen the overheat warning. Montana, Locus and Osmand. In my meaningless opinion the Montana using City Navigator and Southeast 24K topo maps has better map detail, does a better job displaying street names and when navigating does a better job of displaying the next turn street name. Osmand is close and does a very good job in this area, but if I’m using Osmand to Navigate and miss a turn I can’t find a way to turn off auto recalculate. Locus, so many, many great things about Locus. If Locus would display street names like Osmand when navigating or just following a track on the screen I would probably throw rocks at my Montana. The comparison between the 3 could or maybe should go on for a few paragraphs but I’ll keep it brief. My phone is the Duraforce Pro Verizon model. I welcome all suggestions and comments. I’ve learned a lot, thanks to all of the contributors to this thread.

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  6. ruckusracing

    ruckusracing Been here awhile

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    I too have hopes of just the phone for navigation. This past weekend I turned the radio ant. off to conserve battery while out in the middle of no cell coverage. It was posted early in this thread, if you haven't seen the post. Go to the dial pad and input *#*#4636#*#* , which opens a "testing" screen, click phone info, scroll down to "turn radio off" tab. press tab to cycle the phone ant. on and off. I do that in the no cell areas, all of my phones seem to really burn battery and get hot hunting for a signal. I've had luck so far with this.

    My issue, so far, is using so much storage to download offline maps with the app I am currently using. IF I am in a remote area and exploring, I have issues seeing where the routes are, unless I download the offline maps. I know that is more a carrier issue, but something I have to work through.
  7. Doug Just Doug

    Doug Just Doug Silly Party Candidate

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    Is anyone using the Perfect Squeeze mount with a Duraforce XD? I'm wondering if it will interfere with the side buttons.
  8. theregulator

    theregulator Shut Up and Ride

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    Worked for me, but you have to position it correctly or you will have button interference. .
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  9. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    yes, I've seen that fringe cellular service is a huge battery drain. I am guessing that the firmware turns up the juice to try and acquire cellular antennas, making more heat. as @ruckusracing already pointed out, you can turn off the cellular radio, and still use the GPS by using that button sequence in the dialer.

    normally I run mine from battery power, then charge it at camp that night. if you have a model that allows for changing batteries, I would pick up two or three extra and just swap as needed. with about 10-12 hours from my usages, that's more than enough riding time here.

    the issues with locus and Osmand will always be there, street names in big fonts just aren't a priority for these applications.... the smartphone crowd grew up using Google maps , for city navigation, and apparently are still doing so for street names and similar stuff.

    honestly, I used Google maps this weekend in the eclipse traffic and was pretty impressed with its real time traffic influenced routing.... I'll be using it more because of this.

    locus and Osmand will continue to be my back roads and no roads stops though, because of all the functionally.
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  10. CapeMan

    CapeMan Dirt Duffer

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    The Perfect Squeeze can side-grip the XD either around the base or you can arrange it so that the fingers just straddle the middle side button. But in either arrangement, there's large unsupported area on the underside of the XD that the phone can slip into. The Big Squeeze is a better choice for the XD but you may want to shorten it a bit to reduce overhang (unless you arrange to clamp the phone on the long side, which the Big Squeeze can do too.)

    See http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...phones-my-guide.1206076/page-16#post-32475706 and a couple of my additional following posts on using the Perfect/Big Squeeze with the XD and also making a charging setup that uses the external charge points on the XD. It works great!
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  11. Doug Just Doug

    Doug Just Doug Silly Party Candidate

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    Thanks; I'll take a look!
  12. Turbominivanman

    Turbominivanman Single track anyone?

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    So after reading 31 pages of all this, I really appreciate all the time and energy people have put into getting all the info on what works and how to get it to work best. Props guys.
    I am also a little overwhelmed with the firehose of information I just took in, less overwhelmed than when I was tying to figure out which over priced Garmin to get, but still overwhelmed just the same

    So to sum things up for myself. . . . Duraforce pro seams to be the phone of choice?
    And use Osmand and Locus?

    Does anyone know the real difference between the free version and the paid version of Osmand?
    Currently the Osmand+ is on sale for $6.49

    Thanks for the input guys. It is much appreciated.
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    Not to add to the confusion, but when it comes to turn-by-turn on-road voice navigation, CoPilot still is much better than OSMAnd and most others. In spite of my frustration with ALK (developers of CP) over their last major 'update', it is still my choice. You can load the entire North American road database in less than 2.5gb and it has millions of built-in POIs; both excellent for off-line use. And it can search on-line (Yelp) as well. You can add ($) real-time traffic which actually works pretty well (will even give warnings and provide alternates). Address matching is better than OSM. It can read addresses from contacts on your phone. Multi-stop and/or waypoint planning is *much* easier than OSM. It has the ability to save multiple 'profiles' for vehicle & road preferences. It can save and load routes that you planned (NOT .gpx files however, which is about the only thing missing!). The road database is much better than it used to be, and it has most of the FS and other un-paved roads that I often ride. I've used it all over the US and Canada. Not sure about Mexico and other points south though.. You can get maps for most countries, particularly European, for extra cost. And if you need to save space on your phone, you can just load the Countries, US States, or regions that you need most.
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  14. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    With the free version, you pay for map downloads including updates. The + version offers unlimited map downloads and the Wiki download features. It would probably take a while before you spent $6.50 on map downloads.
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    I just started using Osmand a few weeks ago. I am pretty sure you get 7 free map downloads with the free version. I bought the upgraded because I wanted more states.
  16. Turbominivanman

    Turbominivanman Single track anyone?

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    Okay. Makes sense. Thanks guys!
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    macintosh Adventurer

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    I absolutely agree. I have used so many different navigation programs and nothing has beaten the CoPilot so far. Still, iGo comes pretty close to it and is able to route to some addresses CP just could not.
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  18. cyberdos

    cyberdos Easy Bonus Loop

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    Googlemaps beats copilot. I know people hate GM but for A to B navigation and its robust search feature there's really no beating it. And now with its easy to download offline maps I have no use for any other app for A to B navigation.
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    919nick Been here awhile

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    I've tried a bunch and I like the TomTom app better than CoPilot. The winding route option is cool and the Android version makes it easy to import a route. I like the UI better too.
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  20. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    Am I missing something here? If I can not save and load .gpx files it is useless to me.