Ultra rugged Kyocera phones,GPS smartphones ..my guide

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by PDX Alamo, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. BLucare

    BLucare Ambitious, but rubbish

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    Would you say that Locus is better than OsmAnd in all situations? Or just regarding complex tracks?
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    It's all about user preference.
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    BLucare Ambitious, but rubbish

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    Right, I figured as much. I just thought @wbbnm could offer some insight as to which features he prefers about each app, as he seems experienced with both.
  4. Shawnee Bill

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    I still don't understand. I imported the Colorado BDR, the New Mexico BDR and the CDR from Colorado south into Osmand. Not sure how many separate tracks that is but over a dozen, hundreds of miles, then rode those in the order I wanted with no problem determining which track I was on and where the next one was.
    Easily pick and choose which track or tracks I wanted displayed at any one time. In a word I did pretty much everything listed in the above two posts except modify some of the tracks or try to combine multiple tracks into one long track. Although they were mostly end to end so if multiple tracks were displayed at once they showed as one long track.

    I'm pretty sure I can arrange tracks into folders. I don't have my Nomu up and running here at the moment or I could check that out.
    Don't think I can have different colors for track sections at the same time, that would be nice I think.

    When I figure out how to get Locus to do what I want, and what I am told it can do, I will give a try riding a track or two with it. Not sure how long that's going to take. I am taking that as a good thing, in my experience the more powerful a computer program is the steeper the learning curve.
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    BLucare Ambitious, but rubbish

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    I think what @wbbnm was referring to was alternate routes and color-coded sections on the same GPX track, like the Utah BDR below. When I display routes like this is OsmAnd, it shows it all as one color, including the alternate routes (like the red section below, outside Moab). It is a bit annoying, but has never been a deal breaker for me.

    It sounds like Locus has a better interface for dealing with that issue.

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  6. Shawnee Bill

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    Ok, got my Nomu up and running and I can see some of these things, most notably track colors, that is nice.

    However my detailed maps are not displaying, I know they were a week ago, so now I have to figure that out :scratch

    ---- pause ---

    Well, that was easy, just picked it up and took a minute to find the maps. But why did they go away? Gotta figure that out, I have been playing with Locus some in the last few days, looking at stuff in Oklahoma. Trying to get it to route.
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    Sorry I was short before but these questions have been asked over and over in the two Osmand and Locus threads.

    Osmand is only better for map rendering and for navigating routes. For example, it is a tad quicker and clearer to show map labels of towns and streets. Locus' offline maps, when they are North side down, do not rotate the text and the labels are less manageable. What i mean by that is that the sizing when regenerating from different zooms is much easier to read in Osmand than what Locus has to offer out of the box.

    For navigating routes, Osmand's voice prompts reads the street names. Locus does not. I also find it to be a lot more dependable in terms of when it actually tells you when to turn.

    Those two features are heavily in favor of osmand. In every other category, IMO, Locus is far superior. When you import a GPX file into Locus you can choose a folder or create one easily. It will import each track as its own separate track. Osman mashes them all together as one track. So even though it may appear like separate tracks on the screen, when you click on/off it is all or nothing. In Locus you simply tap on the track itself and you have a ton of options to edit the track from setting colors, adding or editing track points and even splitting the track to create separate individual tracks. Locus' guidance feature is also incredibly handy for navigating offroad. Set a range of deviance form the track and simply ride. If you veer off track it will alert you. Also the POI alert feature can be used to set point throughout the track so that you don't miss stuff out on the trail. It becomes perfectly clear once you begin to use both programs that Locus is far superior in the track management department than Osmand.

    That's the way I see it. I've been using both of these programs for many, many years.
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    If you're happy with it that is all that matters.
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    No problem. Thanks for the help :thumb
  10. Shawnee Bill

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    I am working my through the Locus and Osmand threads, but it is a lot of reading. I do appreciate the help I'm getting from those answering questions that have been asked and answered multiple times in this and other threads. It may not always sound like it but I am making progress learning Osmand and Locus thanks to this and other threads on Advrider.
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    I love Locus but it is a complex beast. It offers a huge amount and repays the learning effort handsomely. I found the stuff here on ADV very helpful in getting to grips with it but their own help site http://help.locusmap.eu/ is also a valuable source of information. Questions get answered very quickly and the continuing involvement of the developer is quite remarkable - he must have 48 hours in his days I think.
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    I find the people in both of those threads incredibly helpful. They are quick to help and don't snap at people for asking 'noob' questions. I apologize if I came off like an ass with my responses here but you'll find the help there much more useful since the people that are subscribed to those threads are really good at answering questions and know what they are talking about from having used the apps for a long time. Good luck with the progress. As chrisjk said, if you put some time into learning these apps you'll really enjoy them.
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    You may find I think as I did, that you will have both Locus and OSMAND+
    I also have Waze.
    Pick the tool that fits the job.
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    Sorry for giving the impression that I have a lot of experience. I don't. I am a rank beginner to the world of smartphone gps navigation. I have just been playing around with these apps for a couple of months since I bought the Kyro. So there could well be work arounds for some of the limitations I have noticed.

    I have been using gps for almost 20 years. So I have a good understanding of exactly what I want the gps to do. So my learning is focused on these tasks. I nearly always navigate by following tracks.

    And for more honesty, I bought the phone as a cheap backup for my Montana for a trip next week where I will be the only one with a GPS. So I probably won't even be using it all that much.

    I also prefer the online manual for Locus over the one for Osmand. It seems much more complete.

    One big advantage of getting the smartphone is that I think I can stop having to carry a notebook computer on long trips.
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    Quoted so we can hold you to a report of some kind on how this trip works out, especially as to how you feel about the phone and these two apps performance. :deal
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    Actually my intent was to not even use the smartphone unless the Montana failed. But you convinced/shamed me into putting another ram ball on the handlebars and I made a 2:1 SAE splitter to power it. So I will try running them side by side until I screw up my attention to the ride.

    Another issue with Locus is that my initial attempts to create a road following route using offline maps failed. All I got was straight lines. I didn't pursue it because I saw in the Locus documentation that it doesn't do autorouting with offline maps. It recommends using BRouter? So if I need to create an ad hoc bailout, I will switch to Osmand and live with the slowness.
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    Brouter or Graphhopper work for Locus Offline routing. Using Brouter in Osmand will make it work quicker as well.
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    has graph hopper ever updated their install?
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    Not sure. It has always worked well for me. Was there an issue with it?
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    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    brouter or graph hopper take the points you feed them from locus, and output a route for locus to display. it happens behind the scenes, without much drama at all.

    if the route points are 100 miles or less, it's very quick, for 100 miles or more, you might need to make a sandwich.