Ultra rugged Kyocera phones,GPS smartphones ..my guide

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by PDX Alamo, Feb 19, 2017.

  1. guywithchickens

    guywithchickens Been here awhile

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    Huge thanks to Ken and all contributors. I originally wanted a GPS, but this solution has worked great. Duraforce Pro from Ebay ($85), Locus Pro + BRouter ($7.50), cheap Amazon mount ($14). I have a fully functional GPS system for a little over $100. I'm a tinkerer, so I really like Locus Pro. Did my first 100+ mile ride with the system yesterday and it worked flawlessly. I have a USB cord ready to install, but I still had ~60% battery left after 4 hours.

    Also, I used Mappite to plan a route on my desktop computer, saved a GPX track to Google Drive, imported the track from Google Drive within Locus Pro. Slick...
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  2. upontheridge

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    I bought the Kyocera Duraforce Pro a couple months ago and have slowly been learning Locus for use on a TAT run next year. Locus seems to work great for tracks but it is clunky and complicated to learn and use. I have not tried Osmand. However, I came across Kurviger.de and recently used it for a 1,400 mile ride through out the southeast. I did not have any tracks for this route so I had to build my route. I found Kurviger so much easier to use than Locus. You just enter the beginning and end points and Kurviger builds a nice backroads curvy route. You can use the app to build the route or you can use the website and then export the route to the APP. I did want to do a bit of the SEAT on my ride and it was easy to add some SEAT waypoints into Kurviger to get Kurviger to follow the tracks and create a route instead of having to follow the little blue line and hope you don't miss a turn. I tried to import a portion of the SEAT tracks but they are tracks vs routes and I wanted routes to get the voice turn directions that I could hear in my SENA as constantly looking down at my screen to see where they next turn is annoying and dangerous. Kurviger gives voice turn directions with street names and you can easily set the display to be a heads up display which makes it easy to follow. You also do not need internet or a data connection once the route is built to get the voice turns and directions. If you go off route without a data connection it will not recalculate. If you have data you can turn auto recalculate on or off. I find the upside down names on Locus and the lack of voice turn directions to be a major disadvantage to Locus.
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  3. MiniNL

    MiniNL Dutchie in the US

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    I've bought a Duraforce Pro as well. Bought a rubber holder for the handlebars. The apps I'm running are "Here we go" (formerly Nokia's Here) for regular routing without needing data, Locus for tracks and off road, Rever for rides from other people that use Rever and a speedo app when I know where I'm going, since my speedo is kind of hidden, lol.
  4. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    turn by turn directions are the default navigation type in locus. guidance (which is different but similar) can be with or without voice prompts.

    if you do not have a cellular data connection, locus will use brouter or graph hopper to recalculate the route. the distance to recalculation can be set from very low (two meters) to very high (thousands of meters) depending on your preference.

    the benefits to having route building capabilities while offline include:
    re routing around obstacles
    routing through impassible sections manually instead of accepting the downloaded track/route
    creating routes for other devices (stand alone GPS devices that can't plot routes around problem areas)

    etc


    the upside down street names will be persistent until the Mercator map engine is changed to something else. normally I'm following the blue/green/red/purple/etc line instead of trying to verify street names on both the map and the sign post, but that's just me.

    the benefits of being able to no navigate (or guide) top waypoints in the woods, plot routes offline, and the other slew of features in locus are why I recommend it over and over again for dual sport, hiking, biking, and generally anything outside.

    for street riding, there are tons of applications that will give you a full on street nav like display, and a few that will allow for importing gpx tracks built by online routing sources like kurvi/Osmand/Google maps/furkot, and display street names, lane usage, traffic delays, etc, but for DS/off road, very few will match the capabilities that locus has. even Google maps can now display a gpx track if you've imported it to Google my maps, buy turn by turn is not present, also missing are everything you're used to seeing in GPS applications.

    the learning curve is STEEP and a lot of things are missed because there are so many features. :-)
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  5. upontheridge

    upontheridge Adventurer

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    Unless I am missing something in locus the turn by turn directions in locus are based on the curve in the road/track not turn at x intersection on curvy roads the turn by turn is annoying with constant turn left in 200 feet turn right in 200 ft. Agree lots of apps. I just found kurviger easy to use and it plotted out some nice curvy dirt and gravel roads in quick fashion

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  6. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    the number of voice prompts from generated routes can be reduced in the settings. also, if you're using online sources (kurvigater/furkot/etc) the number of voice prompts will be decided by them, then import the gpx/kmz/etc and enjoy the guidance.

    here's a for instance I created in Google maps, downloaded, then followed: (see attached gpx)

    the other problem is requiring internet connection to create routes. yes, I know we can find free Wi-Fi just about anywhere, but cellular/Wi-Fi isn't always possible to find when enjoying back roads. I often see a hill and want to go explore it.... but without routing would spend half a day with wrong turns:

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  7. Emgo

    Emgo Started on a CT70 almost 47 years ago

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    I’m still following this thread and using my Duraforce Pro with Locus as my navigation device on my street bike. (I sometimes run my Montana beside of it.) I still use Basecamp to lay out my rides with different color routes for short cuts or optional destinations for that particular ride. I then save it to my “Rides&Routes” folder which has sub folders labeled with general directions from my house or areas like East, West, or Murphy, NC or whatever. I try to immediately save that new file to Goggle Drive which has all the same folders. I say all this because it’s so nice to be able to access all those rides from anywhere with WiFi or a cell signal. I like locus because when I import those rides I can save them in folders with the same names and the best part when I open that ride all the tracks still have the same multiply colors I set in Basecamp. Another cool thing about Locus if you have made notes in Basecamp about the ride they are also imported into locus, see screen shot.

    Locus has many options which is great but of course that means it takes a lot of time to learn them all and get it set up for your personal preferences.

    One of the settings in Locus I spent lot of time experimenting with is “Map Color Mode” under “Settings” / “Maps” /”Advanced Features”. Of course I thought “High Contrast” would be the best, the only thing I could see that setting did what add bright colors to the main roads which somehow were always the same color as the track I was trying to follow. I found “Low Contrast” worked the best for me and change the main track color to green with optional tracks in red.

    A question about “Speed Auto Zoom”. Is there a way to improve how fast it reacts? I have 7 zoom levels from 10 to 40 MPH. If I brake aggressively the zoom doesn’t happen until I’ve made the turn and accelerating again, it really lags.

    If the good folks at Locus ever make it display street names and next turn street names like Osmand it will be the ultimate navigation tool for me.

    I rate smart phones and navigation apps as excellent replacements for hand held GPS units. If my smart phone, Duraforce Pro, was smart enough to stop killing itself out of desperation to find a cell tower it would be the near perfect all in one device. My phone started downloading the next version of Android last night. Maybe that will make it smart enough to stop killing the battery when no cell tower is available.

    Ken

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  8. webmonstro

    webmonstro A Aventura Continua....

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    Just turn off cell antenna while riding

    Enviado do meu HUAWEI Y360-U61 através de Tapatalk
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  9. chrisjk

    chrisjk Been here awhile

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    I always carry two phones (and even three sometimes). One is reserved for communications and is normally in my jacket pocket with screen off. The other(s) is on the bike and used for navigation, most often in air
    plane mode.
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  10. Emgo

    Emgo Started on a CT70 almost 47 years ago

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    First, I appreciate all replies.

    One of my reasons for experimenting with a smart phone as a GPS tool was the possibility of eliminating the need for multiple devices. Using your daily phone as your GPS device has several advantages. Although carrying an older phone as an emergency backup GPS was in my plans.

    I have used it in airplane mode and of course that does stop the overheating but it just seems with all the computing power in these phones there would be some way to limit tower searching.

    Ken
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  11. PineLaneRider

    PineLaneRider Been here awhile

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    I just got an update to my Sprint DFP. The camera now has "Action Overlay Mode". It overlays Speedo, ET, Distance, Altitude, G-Force, and date and time over the video. Very interesting...have I had this and not seen it?
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  12. Emgo

    Emgo Started on a CT70 almost 47 years ago

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    Just checked, mine has it, never looked for it.

    Thanks!
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  13. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    *#*#info#*#*

    then select "phone info"
    and finally "turn off cellular"

    it won't look for antennas after that.

    to return to service restart the phone or just turn the cellular back on
  14. spokedoc

    spokedoc Searching for Fire

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    Okay, building on the wealth of information put forth thus far, I submit my efforts. I really wanted to have a mount that would charge my Dura Force Pro. I did not want to start from scratch. It is always easier to buy something ready made and, hopefully, well engineered. To that end I purchased this Ram Mount https://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-HOL-PD3U.
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    I was skeptical of the strength and durability of the smallish looking fingers. I mounted it on my crf450x and went for it. It seem to be fine. After I had made a few trips I noticed that the external charging pads were visible and lined up perfectly with an opening in the Ram Mount (green arrow below).
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    My mind went back to
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    I did some measuring and did some design work. Okay, I have a few tools some of you may not. Honestly, using the drawings I provide and very careful work with a drill press, stationary belt sander and a dremel tool, I think anyone with some skill could make this work. I picked a similar but different pin https://www.digikey.com/product-det...rp/0908-9-15-20-75-14-11-0/ED90392-ND/1991682 I conceived a contact body to hold the pins and a cap to hold it together with a couple 4-40 stainless steel socket head cap screws. The cross section of the conceptual model looked like this. The fine red lines across the pins represent the contact pads on the phone.
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    I told you I had some tools.
    Cap part in mill. Cap and Contact Body are made from black Delrin.
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    I had to open the oval opening on one side so the Body, and edge of pins, would be captive when clamped to the back with the Cap.
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    This is the completed Body with the pins installed and the wires soldered to the tiny solder pin tabs. Don't forget to put the wiring through the hole first. I do not know what the little white wire is for. ?? :)
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    Back side with Contact Body installed. Cap next to it upside down. The slot in the Cap it is just tight enough to provide strain relief to the wire. You can see here that the edge of the pins are captured by the back to keep them in place. If you make the hole to a close enough tolerance the pins have a slightly oversize ring that allows them to slip fit into position and then press fit the last bit. It works good. Do not use too much press or it will collapse the fragile pins and they will not spring back. My holes where the size called out on the drawing. I will provide links to .pdf files of the drawings below.
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    Completed with cap in place.
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    Pin side:
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    The little charger I picked up at Walmart. I like it because of the coiled wire. I used this charger when I tested the mount only I had it plugged into the USB plug. It worked well.
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    The drawings for the Contact Body and the Cap are here:
    http://www.edhess.com/files/body.pdf
    http://www.edhess.com/files/cap.pdf

    I have tested this on a couple short trips and it works flawlessly thus far. I think I will add another plastic strain relief to wire attached to empty slot on the back of the Ram Mount.

    Headed to Arkansas in the morning for 4 days of dualsport riding. A little acid testing :)

    Edit: Managed 2 hard days of riding in very rough, rocky terrain and a couple days on dirt/gravel roads. Mount did not receive any direct impact but otherwise was used as hard as possible. Phone never moved. It performed flawlessly. I am happy with it. Here is the pic with the added strain relief.
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  15. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    Postal service delivered some Perfect Squeeze goodness to my mail box.

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  16. ohgood

    ohgood Just givver tha berries !!!

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    reserved for pictures, but then he feel in love, went out riding, and never came back!
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  17. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    After good reviews of the update to nougat from other DuraForce users I updated. All good and the Action Overlay camera app is present in my Verizon DF Pro.
  18. Didediedide

    Didediedide Adventurer

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    Any one worked out how to attach a safety tether to a duraforce pro in case it pops out of your phone mount
  19. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    Yup. There's a recessed lanyard loop point on the bottom to the left of the usb port. The lanyard will be a back up in case I have a duh moment and forget to tighten the knob. I'm not worried about the mount itself.
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  20. Didediedide

    Didediedide Adventurer

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    Thanks Eatmore, I saw the spot you talk of but didn't want to shove anything in there , it would have to be a very fine "split ring" or what ever to get thru there . What would you , .or others use
    Regards Paul