Ultralight!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Downs, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. AdamFL

    AdamFL Been here awhile

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    Sorry for your friend. I have lost several friends to aviation as well. I investigate and settle aviation claims for a living and it is almost 100 percent the guy with the stick in his hand. Mechanical failures, while not unknown, are rarely the causes of fatal crashes. Most are slow/stall/spin in the airport environment. You guy might have PPC time, but I'd be curious to know what kind of regular AC time/training he had. RIP.
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  2. UngaWunga

    UngaWunga Mosquito bait

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    Interesting info. I've heard that most aircraft accidents are with pilots with tons of hours vs newly trained pilots. Something to do with comfort level causing pilots to skip things on their checklists.

    Now that I'm practicing takeoffs/landings, I can see how easy it is to screw those up.
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  3. AdamFL

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    Nope. Not flying the airplane and basic stick and rudder skills get most of them, high or low time. Your checklist theory works in some procedural sorts of things, like gear up landings, and other minor mishaps but fatalities almost always involve loss of control/airspeed/attitude and becoming a lawn dart vs. aircraft.
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  4. aftCG

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    I was prepared ask if there was an update to find the cause but that accident appears to have just happened yesterday.

    Very sorry for the loss of your friend. The Kolb line is one reported to be well designed and built (from my understanding).

    I spent the day looking at ads yesterday and came to the conclusion that a two seat trike might be a very affordable method of getting two butts in the air. My recollection is that weight shift is a rating I'll need to pick up.

    The search continues...
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  5. hugemoth

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    That's unfortunate. Sometimes it's better to stick with what you know. John Kennedy Jr flew PPCs for years with no problems but didn't do so well in a larger fixed wing plane. They suspect it was spacial disorientation which can't really happen in a PPC. That's not to say PPCs are fool proof. One of my friends almost drowned when he hit power lines over a river and went in.

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  6. AdamFL

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    From the video and position of wreckage it looks like a base to final / stall, spin. Might have been SOP in a PPC but maybe not so much in a fixed wing airplane. These stall slow but still stall.
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  7. Downs

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    I keep an eagle eye on my airspeed during those critical phases of flight and keep my approach speed at 50MPH. My climb out speed at full power is at the same airspeed and it gets me a good climb rate.

    My plane doesn't actually stall till it hits about 30 (a little under) but at 35 to 40 MPH while you have full control authority you are dropping at a good clip. Enough to make for a hard landing IMO. I bring it in at 50 to a few feet off the runway then throttle back and as the airspeed bleeds off it settles though ground effect and on to the tarmac. I've had a few hardish landings trying to nail the numbers but nothing too hard.

    When I was doing my Private Pilot training and was first doing crosswinds I'm surprised I didn't rip the gear off that poor little C152.
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  8. aboveangkor

    aboveangkor Adventurer

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    Sorry to hear about your friend.In cases like this we probably will never know what happened.RIP
    Training is the best money you ever spend.You have a CFI sitting there ready to save your ass if you mess up.I can promise you will have things happen that will test your heart.It took me a few hundred hours to really loosen up start to relax.Around 50 hours you think you know what your doing.At 200 you KNOW that you know what your doing.At a thousand no one can tell you anything.And that attitude will get you killed.Too much or too little confidence is a dangerous thing.When your training you will hear it a million times;ALWAYS FLY THE PLANE!It might be on fire,or the wheels fall off,or out of fuel,don't matter,fly the plane.Its not over untill you give up.Even if you can't save it,try to hit wings level.
    Don't ever let people play with your plane.I know that sounds like common sense,but you be surprised at some of the things people do.Especially at air shows.I've seen people put their kids in someones plane.Play with buttons and levers,flick the mag switches,lean on the wing.That last one got a man killed down in Tenn.flying back from a show.When that rocket comes out of the BRS it can kill you.It has a handle that pulls the firing pin with a cable that looks like a throttle cable.Works the same way.Even though it has a safety pin its just like you going up to a running bike and yanked on the cable.Its going wide open.BRS is the same.It will fire if you step on or catch the cable on something.Treat it like a gun.
    Weight shift control can be added on to PPL.But I don't recommend a high time older three axis pilot to switch over.It can be done, but remember,everything is backwards.Push out to go up[more on that later] pull in to go down.Push right to go left and left to go right.Push on the right pedal to turn left,left pedal to turn right,on the ground, in the air it does nothing.Think of it as having your feet on the handlebars of you bike.Altitude is really all about throttle.You have one on your right pedal and another hand throttle for cruse.Foot throttle for take off and landing.More throttle and it goes up,back off and it comes down.You can pull the wing in as much as you want but at full throttle it will still be climbing.Push out and it will climb for a few seconds then mush over and drop down.Pull in with no power and it will dive untill it builds up some speed and then the nose will start to come up,even with the control bar pulled in to your belly.You can't dive it straight into the ground unless your already very low,like a few hundred feet.It self recovers.
    When i first got into trikes 20 years ago,a simple stick trike with a 340 Kawasaki costs $7000.Now a top of the line 912FI costs a 100K.But lots of good used ones,two seaters,for $10 to $15K.The slow ones with big wings fly about 40 and the fastest ones with small wings can cruse at a 100 mph.Trikes are a good choice for people that weigh over 220 or tall guys.Iám 190 and I have taken up lots of people over 240.One time even a 350.But thats not something I would do again.Most trikes are limited to 240 a seat but you can't carry full fuel at that weight.The trike I used for work came with short seat belts so I always told them if the belt don't fit then your not going.One fat bitch gave me my only bad review on TripAdvisor cause I told her the limit was 240.
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  9. BikePilot

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    There are certainly a lot of cool flying things around. I've been lusting for a Mosquito XE-something for quite a while. Got to check one out at Oshkosh and it seems quite well built.
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  10. RedRocker

    RedRocker Native Texican

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    I like these.
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  11. Beemer Bob

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    TEAM Airbike.........I built a TEAM Himax back in'96 and put 100hrs on it. Flew great. Mine had an N # so I could log the time.
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  12. b1pig

    b1pig Been here awhile

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    i'd love to have an ultralight myself. i'm partial to the Belite aircraft. something about the "image" or resemblance to a conventional aircraft just seems to suit me. regardless... i'm in the same boat many others are/were in. i had managed to secure 30hrs in a C150 before family needs outweighed the personal goal.

    the really bad thing is that i guess i'm the type of idiot that wants the "share" the ride a little, so i dont want to throw down a $15,000 investment on a personal toy that absolutely noone else in my family would be able to enjoy with me.

    wife has it in her head that if she kicks the bucket, i'll have a Belite or a Sonex kit in the garage before the grass roots in good on her grave. lol...
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  13. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    I lust after an Excalibur,

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  14. racermx66

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    Saw this flying directly over my house yesterday. I thought the Navy had cancelled this project, but I guess not. They were going to use blimps for observation. This came out of Lakehurst NJ where the Hindenburg crashed.
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  15. BikePilot

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    Deans BMW, just curious, why that particular make/model? (I don't know much about them or their competitors. Did get to play with a Challenger II CWS once and thought it spiffy).
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  16. Downs

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    They're also toying with rigid air ships, blimps or whatever you want to call them for air mobilization. Something that has like twice the cargo area of a C-5. Not very fast but it doesn't have to be when you're just carrying supplies or vehicles.

    I'll have to see if I can find the info on that again. I read it in a magazine somewhere.

    Found it

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    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/high-tech-cargo-airship-being-built-california
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  17. racermx66

    racermx66 Suzuki

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    Thanks for the find. Maybe I'll be seeing some interesting blimps around!
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  18. vfrpilot

    vfrpilot Stress Relief Rider

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    I just happened across this thread. Your Ultralight looks amazingly like what I used to fly back in the 80's. The name of mine was " phantom" it was made by a company called Ultralight Flight Inc. Is yours a newer version of it?
    Sure does bring back memories.



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  19. Downs

    Downs KK6RBI

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    This is basically a copy of the Phantom but with a center stick instead of a side stick. Lots of the parts are interchangeable.

    Phantoms are actually still being built out there. In fact it's the only one out of even the copies that are still being Built.

    http://www.phantomaero.com/
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  20. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    An easy build, a very good safety record, the landing gear is better than the challenger, you can get the owner of the company on the phone, advise and help are easy to get and those that have flown it are very happy with it.