Updated Routing Tutorial for Garmin Mapsource

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by 9Dave, Dec 7, 2008.

  1. phatt

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    To re-iterate and re-enforce what 9Dave said you can create a "follow the road" route in City Navigator and then view in Topo. But if you try to recaculate the route while in Topo, your route will be straight line from waypoint to waypoint.

    If you want an auto-routing Topo map, I believe the 24k versions are auto-routable.

    I usually do not use topo when I am following a route, because map redraws are usually slower due to the greater data involved. I only switch to Topo if I want to more thoroughly investigate an area I am in.

    I also turn off the off-route recalculation on the gps so that an automatic recalc does not screw up my planned route. I can manually have the gps recalc a route only if I want it to.
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  2. Luke wl.

    Luke wl. Been here awhile

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    I am having trouble loading the routes to the gps. Take the TWVT for example. When I load the file to my 660, I go to custom routes and there is nothing there. I have to go to import data and can only import 20 routes at a time. On top of that, I can only select one section of the route (I think that is normal).

    So, do I have to import 20 routes, select each one while I am riding, delete them after I have traveled them than import the next 20?!? Please tell me I am doing something wrong.
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  3. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Wow, that broke easy

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    For noobs to the Garmin money-making-machine it might be worth mentioning that if you're buying maps from Garmin (City Nav NT for example), and you want to be able to use your maps to plan routes like this on the PC then you need to buy the DVD version.
    If you get the download or memory card version then it loads directly to the device and you can't get it onto your PC. You pay the same price... but don't get as much functionality from the download.

    At least that's my understanding, hopefully I'm wrong.
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  4. DennyIndy

    DennyIndy Old F@rt

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    Unfortunately, I believe you are correct.

    If you are downloading a nuMaps Update that will install to your computer, and your GPS, but that is the only downloadable map product that does that.

    Map updates are available for units that come with pre installed maps.

    Hopefully they will change that, since it does seem like a rip off.
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  5. MIRider99

    MIRider99 old butt new

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    and how does one know if the map they are buying is routable or not? i bought topo 100k NA, and it appears it won't route. i wish i would have known.
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  6. nikolic

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    All right, now me. I have an eTrex H, so i dont have a maps on my gps. I can transfer waypoints, routes and tracks, but when I make a route in mapsource and transfer it to the device, it is detected as a array of waypoints, and I would like it to be displayed as track. So, how do I transfer routes from mapsource to tracks????
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  7. tbirdsp

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    If you want a track, use the track draw tool in Mapsource to draw one. There is no converting of routes to tracks with Mapsource, although there are free software applications that will do it.

    If you transfer a route to the unit you have to activate each route to get it to hook the waypoints together with route lines. Until you do that it will just be "an array of waypoints" as you described.
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  8. nikolic

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    eTrex has an option for routes, and it hooks the waypoints, but it just does not feel right, it fills the memory with waypoints with no particular meaning. I cannot draw a track as detailed as route with the route tool.
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  9. rchrds

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    Alright, so the new versions of Mapsource (6.16.12) don't work the same. You can no longer drag the route in the fashion described earlier. Has anyone got it to work in the later versions?


    Answered my own question. Here is the new routine: Once you establish the route, using the selection tool (arrow) single click on the route. A double line (one from each end) appears with a plus near the cursor. Single click again on another point you wish included in the route. Program will recalculate. The route no longer turns yellow, so expect that. Also, it wont work if you try to drag. Just single click both times.

    Thanks!

    Jason
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  10. cdq3

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    true.. i liked the drag !
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  11. bigtallguy

    bigtallguy Sasquatch Jr.

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    Is there a way to connect two routes into one? I made up a good route but I screwed it up and it came out split into two parts where it should be one continuous route.
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  12. mcnut

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    With 2 routes in one MapSource file or with 1 route each in two MapSource windows:
    Should be as simple as opening the "Route Properties" window and doing a simple copy and paste of the route via points.

    Not sure which, if any GPS units support combining Routes.

    Bruce
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  13. bigtallguy

    bigtallguy Sasquatch Jr.

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    Ah, got it. I highlighted the second route, went to route properties and cut the waypoints, then pasted the waypoints into the first route. Why didn't I think of that:cob

    Thanks! Trip planning is fun:D
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  14. mazman808

    mazman808 Been here awhile

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    Hope someone can help, im new to the gps world so bare with me.

    I have a nuvi500 with city nav. and shonkymaps.
    I have mapsource and base camp software.

    When i start up the mapsource, i can only view the shonkymaps mapping, even with the nuvi connected up to the pc.
    Why cant i view city nav. in mapsource?
    (city nav. came pre installed in the nuvi500, i dont have any disc's).

    If i start up base camp, and the nuvi connected up to pc, i can view shonky maps and city nav. maps now.
    But, for some reason if i send to device from this program a map i routed, i do a search for custom routes, the device finds it and i click import file... So far so good, right?
    Then as you've clicked import file, my nuvi500 goes blank/switches off!
    I dont know whats going on there...

    I dont have this problem if i send to device using mapsource, but like i said, i cant view city nav. in mapsource.

    Anyone have any tips?
    cheers
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  15. Trailryder42

    Trailryder42 Long timer

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    If I understand correctly, your city nav maps are not installed on the computer, only on the Nuvi, but you are somehow able to view them on the PC when it is connected. Using Mapsource on the PC to make routes on maps that are not actually installed on the PC but only being "viewed" from the Nuvi would seem to be the problem to me.

    When you click the upload icon, there's nothing to upload. It's like you were playing with a "virtual" route. No substance.

    Make sense?
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  16. mazman808

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    OK, i think i know what your saying, thanks for that, appreciate your help.
    So now i tried using the shonkymaps that i have in mapsource.

    I click the route tool and start making my route, theres about 400 odd km's of mapping that i do.
    Once i finish, i send to device, file sent.
    Check my nuvi and import file.
    I get a message saying i have too many via points, cannot import file!

    Anyone know what im doing wrong and how i can minimise the via points?

    I then tried making a track.
    Same thing, do the mapping and send to device, file sent.
    Go into nuvi and under import routes i cannot find the track map i just sent it, where is it hiding?

    cheers.
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  17. mcnut

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    NUVI 500 does not support importing of tracks.

    You will need to get the routes to work for you.

    Bruce
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  18. tbirdsp

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    How many via points per route? It should be able to take 250. Surely you aren't using more than that for 400 km's?
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  19. mazman808

    mazman808 Been here awhile

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    I figured it out, ive seen someone post a mention of a third party program and with that i was able to select convert route with invisible via points, it then converted my routes without all the via points, just left the map as i made it with start and end.

    That will do for now, while i continue to learn and figure it out.
    Program is called WinGDB3, it has some good conversions by the looks of it, can convert tracks to routes as well.

    Im not sure how many via points i was making when tracing my map, i was just clicking and following the map/route i wanted to go and every click i made (every turn basically) leaves this via point, correct?(small black dot), theres way too many of them for me to tell you how many via points there was, i dont know how to minimize them in a non routable program such as shonkymaps.


    But thanks to all, i was able to make my map for the trip coming up :)
    cheers.
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  20. tbirdsp

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    Edit - After writing all of the stuff below I noticed you are using a non-routable mapset. In that case, if you have the routing set to "off road" there should be no issues with route recalculation. What maps came preloaded in your GPS? Do you have the shonkymaps loaded to it too?

    tbirdsp

    The number of points in your route is listed right there in the route properties, no need to count them...

    The problem with using the "invisible via points" (I'm familiar with WinGDB3) with a Nuvi 500 is that there's no way to turn off the automatic off-route recalculation. With regular via points, if you go off your route it will just recalculate to the via point in your route you missed, then resume your route unchanged. If you use the invisible via points (also called "shaping points") if you go off route for any reason it is going to recalculate your route all the way to your end point. The only way to get it back will be to stop navigation, then restart your route. Select "no" when it asks if you want to be routed to the starting point of the route.

    IMHO you need to see if you are using more than 250 via points per route and just reduce that number.
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