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Discussion in 'Hacks' started by Ockrocket, Feb 2, 2013.
That paddle could come in handy, practical instructions and useful on a manual level too.
Two things come to mind, ONE if you find yourself up shit creek, you will have a paddle, TWO you can't say the Russians don't have a sense of humor.
Russians have a sense of humour, but the Yamal is not representative of it. It's American humour pretending to be Russian. In fact Ural is now almost an American vehicle pretending to be Russian. Almost no Russians buy them, and Jiangling in China make more sidecar bikes than Ural does. So much for their claim of being the largest sidecar manufacturer in the world. And their pretence at being a military bike is just laughable.
I wish I could comment on the Ural but my only experience has been with my Aprilia Pegaso 650 Cube dragging a Sputnik hack. Jay stuffed it all together for me and it's been reliable and fun. FWIW I never once ran into a need for 2WD but I can see why people feel the need for it since most buyers are new to the game and have never really done any "adventure" riding. Jesus just look at all the BMW guys who spend a fortune at Touratech outfitting their bikes for every possible off road situation and then never get out of Dodge. I ran into a ton of them on my first ride to Alaska on my Ninja 650R, think I may have startled a few of them but that's a different story.
Rather than comment further, if you have the time and are so inclined here's a link to my blog documenting our ride to Deadhorse, Alaska on our hacks. My buddy Mac rode with me on his brand new Ural Patrol so you can get a feel for both types of rigs including break downs, flat tires, electrical issues, etc. As has already been stated there's not much difference in cost between building or buying but there's one helluva lot of difference in reliability, or at least that's how it used to be. Having said that who could say no to a rig with a freaking paddle as part of its kit? If I were thinking of getting into the weird world of hacks I'd give Ural a really close look but regardless of which way you decide to go you'll have a lot of fun.
Onward into the fog...
Go with the Ural, and keep your Wee for your own personal fun rides. If you really enjoy motorcycling, I think its important to keep a non-hacked bike to reconnect with motorcycling. I say reconnect, because driving a hack isn't anything like driving a motorcycle. Its unique, challenging and rewarding in a completely different way than riding a traditional motorcycle.
Also, the Ural will get you just about anywhere you can take a hack. Its pretty simple, and works very well. The lack of highway cruising simply means you search out backroads and byways to get to where you want to go. If you do need to slab, they do hold 60mph all day pretty well.
Yeah but he's obviously more awesome then most of us, and can even blog and pat himself on the back at the same time.
Now, now Barry be nice someday maybe we can achieve the status of real adventure riders then we can throw the two wheel drive and reverse away and physically push and pull our rigs like the "real" adventure riders do.
I'd love to have my 660 Tenere, and a 2 wheel drive Ural (in a perfect world). Unfortunately they haven't yet overcome the issue of having the chair (with driving wheel) on the other side for the Australian market. Once they get that sorted, I reckon they'd sell a heap of them here.
At least the delay is giving me time to raise the funds to be able to live that particular dream (one day).
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Reverse is SO IMPORTANT that BMW never used it except on their Zündapp copy. KMZ used 2WD for years before adding reverse. IMZ finally got reverse in the late '70's amd only got 2WD for the US "wanker" market. I love reverse to show off. Yes, I'm a wanker! A few companies used it, H-D being a notable one, though even then, rarely. Is reverse useful? Yes. Is it worth the cost? No. If you need reverse, then you probably need to learn to ride an outfit. Like 2WD it tends to be a crutch for stupidity.
Whats wrong with doing something the easy way?
My Ural has been my only transportation for 5 years, reverse is handy for everyday use, eliminating the need to give forethought to parking. 2wd is like having awd on a car or truck, most of the time it isn't needed, but there are times and places where it can be a useful tool.
2wd is nice sometimes, although i could get by without it, reverse on the other hand is something I wouldn't want to give up. But we have the choice, and choice is good, I have, and use both. I have nothing to prove doing things the harder way.
"Need"?, no, Useful?, yes. Nothing wrong with that.
Being a blue collar working guy, on the rare occasions I have the time and money to get away, I'm not looking to do things the hard way for bragging rights.
Well, I guess I am one of those stupid people who can't drive an outfit, all I know is when I drive my Ural I park it where I damned well please, when I drive my BMW rig I park it where I don't to push the darn thing, I also wouldn't think of taking the Beemer anywhere near the places I take the Ural with out giving it a second thought.
Yessire that reverse and two wheel drive is just for stupid folks who can't drive a rig, thats why some BMW people who have more money then they know what to do with spend close to $40,000.00 to have Mobek build a reverse-two wheel drive setup for their BMW's.
C'mon Mr Cob, the folks at Mobek are entitled to make a living, and have targeted a specific consumer with their product line. I do not aspire to own one, although I admire their concept, engineering and final product, just as I can admire a Ferrari.
I will keep buying a lottery ticket now and then......
I have nothing against Mobek, heck if "I" had that kind of money to spend I'd have that same setup on my BMW rig.
I just get a kick out of the folks who claim that two wheel drive and reverse are useless and not needed if you know how to drive a rig, yet there is a company that for a vast sum of money will sell you a setup so that even the BMW's can have that useless two wheel drive and reverse. Maybe those rich BMW riders are also stupid.
Everybody knows it takes stupidity to become successful.
Even if reverse isn't actually "required", does that make one foolish for having and using it?
Can we make the same arguement about headlights? Afterall, I CAN ride without one.
... now that we've managed to totally hijack your thread while we were killing time ... how did the ride go ?
You allowed visitors in the ward
I don't get paid to do shit the hard way so I'm with you on this one.
One of the reasons I went with the tractor , http://bakerdrivetrain.com/f5r-factory-5-speed-reverse.
Nobody ever lay on their death bed and said they should have saved more money.
Sorry that I stomped all over your 2WD toes, must have been too busy patting myself on the back. Having said that instead of fuck you maybe you'd like to clarify your remarks? I write blogs for my own entertainment, not your's. No one forces anyone including you to read them. If something about my writing bothers you I'm open to criticism, I'll listen. OTOH if you just like to run off at the mouth I could care less.
I haven't read your blogs and have no interest, but I did read your post, it comes across as supercilious and begging for a jibe.
Both groups you took pot shots at tend to be older riders with many years of riding experience, as such they will likely have the experience and means to get what they want.
Are you so certain you can tell how and where they ride just by looking at them? Does it really matter how each person defines adventure or how it compares to yours?
Some folks enjoy and have the means to take extended trips in remote areas on primitive roads. Some enjoy or are limited to weekends seeking out challenging conditions that test rider and machine. Others just want a cool bike to get coffee with. Different strokes for different folks, no need for judgment or comment.
If you make silly blanket statements, expect silly retorts.
"Lighten up Frances."