Ural or GS hack?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by GypsyWriter, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. BeemerChef

    BeemerChef Wandering Homeless

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    Somehow I have fallen into a situation where we have both.
    They are both different animals... for different situations and Mr Cob expressed it perfectly.
    For myself, having reverse, 2 WD as an option and going slower [photography] is the key and I am afraid that the GS is going to sit covered and be used only for the black top which we do not ride that often...
    Imagine yourself on a pass where suddenly you have to make a U Turn and have no reverse and barely room to turn around. I have sometimes spend hours trying to turn around. No more apprehension now... I know it can be done in minutes!
    So it is a choice...
    Do you want to see the true beauty of this country off road or just what the tourists contemplate through the nicely paved or if dirt flattened roads? :D
    You need both...

    Stay well... Ara and Spirit

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  2. tattoogunman

    tattoogunman Been here awhile

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  3. DirtyDR

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    I am a firm believer in one of each personally.

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    And the adventure tub may it rest in peace:

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  4. 4PawsHacienda

    4PawsHacienda Been here awhile

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    You need one of each, a hack plus a 2 wheeler. I have a GS plus a Ural Retro, find myself taking the Retro everywhere but if I need to get somewhere or have some miles to cover I take the GS.

    I see from another thread you're planning on hitting the BRP soon, PM me. I have a place near milepost 199 (US Hwy 52 and Fancy Gap VA) and if I'm there you can try out the retro on the BRP - a road and speed limit perfect for a Ural.

    A GS with a tub sounds like a winner to me.
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  5. GypsyWriter

    GypsyWriter Sarah

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    I may take you up on that!! We're about to cross into Arizona so have a little ways to go, but we've been looking forward to the BRP. Having a blast so far except that highway 40 out of California is a bland and boring road (we're used to this scenery).

    It's a blast to ride my GS Rallye - I love the way this beauty handles - but the idea of hacking her is becoming more and more enticing. The idea of bringing my pup on these excursions (of which there will hopefully be many more), as well as being relatively unafraid over rough terrain (yes, I really am a total wuss), is a big draw. Plus, I find these hacked bikes to be so awesome!!

    Man, I'm almost ready for this cross-country trip to be over so I can start really researching my options (and its only day 2!). :thumb
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  6. madeouttaglass

    madeouttaglass The AntiHarley

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    Don't wish your trip away. I so wish I could hop on my Ural and do it all over again tomorrow. It sounds like you already have an offer of a decently priced tub and accessories on page 1 of this thread, plus two beemers. Hack one with that tub and be done with it. If that wasn't the case I'd be saying to try the Ural. I did a little over a year ago and quickly wanted 2wd so I upgraded to our Gear Up. No regrets. I'll also add that I still enjoy my 2 wheelers and would never only have a sidecar rig. To me that's like saying a snowmobile replaces a dirt bike. Two very different toys for sure.
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  7. BeeMaa

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    The way the dealer told it to me was that the enduro tranny was an option on the GSA from '05 - '07.
    In 2008 it became standard on the Adventure model.
    I have an '06 GSA without the enduro tranny and wish I had it simply for the lower first gear.
    My clutch is suffering...:cry

    My vote is to hack the GS.

    Cheers.
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  8. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    About that R100GS, nice tug but suffers from highway-itis which you being Cali-based would suggest a fatal flaw. By this I mean that it's comfortable at 55. It'll go faster of course but your fuel consumption will suffer badly as will your oil. You can change things around to make it go happy at 65 but then of course you'll be taking fistfuls of low speed performance away.
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  9. Mr. G

    Mr. G Normal Dude

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    A good used Ural will cost less than having the GS professionally hacked. A good used Ural will also hold its value if you decide after a while to sell it and hack the GS.

    You will never be able recoup the amount of money you spend hacking a GS if the need to sell it arises.

    I have a GS I was considering hacking to go off-roading as my Goldwing hack didn't like it. I ended up buying a 2007 Ural Patrol with 2500 miles for $6k. I have never had a bike that put as big a smile on my face as this Ural does. I have put 4000 km on it in the 2 months I've owned it, about double my previous normal amount of riding on all of my other bikes combined.

    Highwayitis isn't a terminal disease. Even living in So Cal I can usually find a scenic back road. If I have to get on the freeway, the Ural will cruise at 60 just fine in the right lane.


    Anyway, my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions :evil) .... Get a used Ural first


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  10. Boxer Metal

    Boxer Metal Mad Scientist

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    Build a GS rig. it will hold it's value and if you're going to put a lot of miles on it it's hard to beat the BMW for parts and service. Your 4 hours South of me. If you want to come and go for a sidecar ride and talk about them I am open.

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  11. Melrone

    Melrone Been here awhile

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    I n my oppion as others here I'd buy a used rig first to play & learn with. They're are plenty of used rigs out there..I have an 03 GSA/Ural, its my 3rd rig. Other 2 were Airhead rigs.Then if you really like it. Go for your dream..Ural rigs affordable and vrery cool..The GS rigs are great but spendy..Alot to think about....
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  12. GypsyWriter

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    I tend to go all or nothing.

    Sidecar rigs have always been so fascinating to me so I'm pretty sure I want one, and I really like the idea of hacking my Rallye. I've been in contact with Jay over at DMC and he recommends a newer model than my R100GS as the modifications would be much more intense vs a later model R1100-1200 to get it comfortable.

    Right now we're on a cross country road trip so whatever I decide will be after that. I do know however that I really want to do some offroad adventures but am a total wuss. :huh :bluduh Mostly though I want to be able to bring my dog if I want, and/or take anybody else for a ride (like my nephew if I can ever convince my sister) who doesn't want to be atop a bike.

    Last week, I went for a ride in a Ural. The dealership wouldn't let me drive it but I could tell it was a tad underpowered for what I want (daily driver that I can take off road after a highway ride). The driver gave me several tips on how to drive a hack but I'd love to take some actual formal training. I wish Red's northwest training school still did classes, I missed out by only a month. Still, I'm pretty sure I want to go this way. :dllama

    Lots to think about...
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  13. tattoogunman

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    *Snicker* Have you seen some of the prices people are trying to get for used older Ural rigs? You'd swear they are starting to appreciate in value instead of depreciating like certain other makes/models out there :rofl

    There was actually a guy local to me selling a sweet late model low mileage GS rig for under $9K a week or so ago, it disappeared off of Craigslist pretty quick (within a week or so).
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  14. AeroEngineer

    AeroEngineer Been here awhile

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    When it comes to price appreciation, it's hard to beat a Chang:

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=830177

    :rofl
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  15. tattoogunman

    tattoogunman Been here awhile

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  16. Boxer Metal

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  17. eastbloc

    eastbloc comprador bourgeois

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  18. Boxer Metal

    Boxer Metal Mad Scientist

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    I think the seller is open if someone was to start throwing money at him.
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  19. JustKip

    JustKip Long timer

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    There are other sidecar classes out there. These guys come to mind http://evergreenmotorcycletraining.org/sidecar-training/ They won't be as much fun as Vernon's (Red Menace) class was, but the Seattle area is a great place to spend a long weekend.
    I want to keep this thread going, rather than start my own. This is a great discussion so far, but I'm still on the fence...kinda.

    I agree that the Ural is ever so slightly underpowereded. It'll hit almost an acceptable speed, but won't hold it on a hill.
    So I'm leaning, rather strongly, towards hacking a GS...but not necisarily my standard GS.
    I'd love to hear about fuel range form somebody with a hacked standard R1200GS? I'm getting 200 now, so I'm guessing that would drop to the 120 - 140 range? I might need to trade for a GSA.
    Thoughts?
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  20. Mr. G

    Mr. G Normal Dude

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    Fuel mileage is obviously less than a 2 wheel bike. My Goldwing hack got 30 - 33 MPG. My Ural gets 32 - 34 MPG. It is very easy to carry additional fuel to increase range. My Ural carries 7 1/2 gallons between the main tank and the OEM gas can, enough for well over 200 miles. They have aux. tank kits for many bikes where you can carry and feed xtra gas without physically transferring it. Probably the same cost as adding a GSA tank to a GS and double the xtra capacity.

    You will find with a hack that riding it is more of a workout than a 2 wheeler. Whereas I could easily go 250 miles without stopping on a 2 wheeler, I usually need a break after half that on a hack. The 125 mile range (before reserve) of my Ural and of my Goldwing (sold) seemed perfect for a break.
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