I have driven more then one, I looked at an older one that blew so much smoke I was afraid the EPA would come (it only had 3,400 kms on the clock). I have ridden in the hack of one and had a much bigger simle than I thought posible. I do not trash them from a position of ignorance. I work in the engineering field an I am critical of how things are produced, what they cost to produce and the level of quality that the customer can count on. I still want one regardless of my opinion of there overall longevity. I desperatly wish to take my two year old on a motorcycle ride. I also wish to own an new R1200 GSA. at this point I can afford niether, but if I were to make payments on a toy, it would be a GS. I repeatedly see GS's with 60K miles on them for sale. I have never seen a ural for sale with that kind of milage. I am not saying it isnt posible. I dont know. I research what ever I intend to buy before I buy, and time and time again, people talk about ural's, dneprs and cj's as being very maintainace intensive to own, (with urals rated highest and cj's fairng much worse) I still want one. my biggest gripe with the 2008 ural is that there is not enought tecnoloical improvements in the bike to justify the huge MSRP. they are probubly using 50 year old tooling to make most of the tub and frame. and 25 year old tooling for the engine. anything new on the bike is from outside vendors. the bottom line is if you spend $14,000 on a NEW motorcycle the paint shouldnt fall off!!!