Ural reliability?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by IsAnOzzie, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. IsAnOzzie

    IsAnOzzie Been here awhile

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    I bought an 08 gear up. had a few issues then at 8300Klm a circlip that holds the gudgeon pin came loose and scored the bore, result one new piston and cylinder plus rings on both sides. now at 9500klm the motor has seized!! 2 months out of warranty.
    After enquiring with the dealer it seems tough luck on my part.

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    But I contacted Jon Taylor again of Ural Australia and after explaining the dealers response he offered to cover parts if I paid labour. (subject to not being damage from operator error)
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    I think this is a very reasonable offer indeed.

    After some driving I had the bike engine rebuilt and it is running once again.

    Thank you very much everyone.

    sean
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  2. roscoau

    roscoau Been here awhile

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    Can I have your horn? The long one on the chair that is...
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  3. IsAnOzzie

    IsAnOzzie Been here awhile

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    heh, well I plan on transferring the sidecar to a more reliable rig. so keep your hands off my horn dude.
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  4. IsAnOzzie

    IsAnOzzie Been here awhile

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    damn, I do love the bike. why are these newer ones failing?
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  5. roscoau

    roscoau Been here awhile

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    Hmm, a couple of wheels then? I really want to make a trailer... :evil

    Are you going to investigate what went wrong? Whether it was related to the previous problem, caused by the repair or bad co-incidence?
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  6. Brendan J

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    Sounds weird for a engine to seize up if its full of oil. Could you possibly have an oil pump issue? I work in the small engine/motorcycle industry and engines just don't self destruct for no reason there has to be a primary cause to start it. Makes me wonder when the piston pin clip came out it may have caused some other internal damage. I would love to have a look inside the engine to see what damage has been done.
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  7. Agent Wayward

    Agent Wayward Been here awhile

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    Go on any bike forum, anywhere in the world, for any manufacturer.

    You will find reports like this.

    The simple facts are that bikes are mechanical objects and occasionally they go wrong. Without exception.

    This does not mean that all bikes like this one are the same, nor does it mean that everyone else should be wary.

    Most people are more likely to report the bad news.

    I have ridden a 2005 Ural outfit (so that's pre-all the improvements) for over 40,000 miles (that's UK miles) without a single engine issue. The only problem I had was with a final drive seal which was easily repaired.

    Everyone understands that when it's your own bike that breaks down, you are going to be upset and irritated, but these things need to be taken in context.

    I'd have ridden my Ural anywhere in the world with complete confidence. I certainly wouldn't say that about a R1200GS for example...
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  8. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    I know 9 Ural owners in my area, only one has had an engine failure, Mr. Cob and we all know how hard he pushes them. No such thing as a failure proof machine, somebody gets stuck with the short straw.

    My 07 Patrol has over 50,700 km and still going strong.
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  9. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad World's Foremost Authority

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    Indeed, a postmortem inspection as to what the cause of the seizure is in order before throwing stones. To me, when an engine is said to have seized, it basically means that pistons have partially melted and all but welded themselves to the cylinders. That normally only happens due to lack of lubrication. Poor ignition timing puts holes in the tops of pistons which also deposits melted bits of piston causing secondary seizure. If internal bearings seize, then lack of lubrication is also the main cause. Any engine seizure requires temps. well above those in the normal operating range.
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  10. AeroEngineer

    AeroEngineer Been here awhile

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    Please don't take offense to this as I'm sorry you've had trouble, but don't project the failure of your bike to every other bike on the road with statements like "why are all these newer ones failing."

    To be honest, I've never heard of a Ural motor seizing under normal operation.
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  11. Agent Wayward

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    I think the bigger issue here is the warranty side.

    After a genuine manufacturing defect caused a serious failure, the motor was repaired under warranty.

    1200km later, when just out of warranty, the motor failed again in a similar manner.

    I'd not be accepting the answer "tough luck". Not by a long way.

    I'd get the motor stripped down and inspected by an independant engineer, then the report sent in to the dealer to pass on to Ural's warranty department.

    Rather more productive than planting beans in it. ;)
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  12. AeroEngineer

    AeroEngineer Been here awhile

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    I completely agree, but I think its probably better to go about this diplomatically with the dealer who repaired the motor. In all likelihood the failure is probably due to something they did or should have noticed.
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  13. Agent Wayward

    Agent Wayward Been here awhile

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    Indeed.

    My suggested course of action is for if the dealer really has adopted the "tough luck"`approach.
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  14. windmill

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    Here in the Stares, warranty repair work carries it's own warranty. I just don't understand how a rebuilt engine that fails after 1200km could possibly not be under warranty.
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  15. AlanCT

    AlanCT The Byronic Man

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    Can he bypass the dealer and go straight to the Ural people? They really set the standard for backing up a warranty, and I'd be surprised if they said "tough luck."
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  16. dillon

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    Theres stuff the dealer could have done wrong during a rebuild that would cause an engine seizure. I would not let this fly.
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  17. Strong Bad

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    It should depend upon how it "failed" the second time. The two "failures" could possibly be totally unrelated.
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  18. Mr. Cob

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    Howdy IsAnOzzie,

    First off sorry to hear of your engine failing. I would suggest trying a more diplomatic approach to getting this looked into, I don't have a clue how things are handled down under but I know here in the States such things have been taken care of.

    On a lighter note, it you DO end up planting flowers in the tub, check into how much it would cost to ship me the engine, I'll fix it and use it as a spare. :deal
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  19. Sunnyboy

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    IsAnOzzie, sorry to hear this, but from what I know Ural distributor in Australia was not even given a chance to open his mouth during the conversation. Right? Most certainly "tough luck" is not the way Jon Taylor is doing business. "Tough luck" is not Ural thing, period. I'm sure you will be taken care of, and Ural Australia will do whatever it takes to get you back on the road.
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  20. IsAnOzzie

    IsAnOzzie Been here awhile

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    the good new is the importer has offered parts if I pay for labour. so I will post the findings here when I find out.
    roscau, I have the wheels, guards. and will be amking a trailer soon. pthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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