US Passport Card vs Passport Book

Discussion in 'Americas' started by HeyWhatever, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. HeyWhatever

    HeyWhatever HTFU !

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    Has anyone gotten the US Passport RFID card?

    I am thinking of getting one to do land crossing into Canada and back to the US?

    I know you can't use it to fly anywhere... but sounds convenient to keep it in your wallet.
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  2. gplutt

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    I have one. Its easier than remembering to put the passport in the car to go to Canada. If you cross the border often I'd say its a good idea. Its a pretty easy procedure to get one, too.

    Actually, We've never had a problem getting into Canada, getting back into the US was an issue once, though. Right before the passport thing went into effect we tried to come back home, the guy at the border asked for our passports and we said 'we don't have them on us", he said "how do I know you aren't some Europeans trying to sneak across the border"! :rofl . We had to prove our American citizenship by telling him who our state representatives were.
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  3. GSAragazzi

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    I don't have one and probable would not want one bc it's been tested that "thieves" can read the info in it from up to 220 ft away.
    Have you looked into the Global Entry program? Specifically for you the Nexus card?
    http://usa.immigrationvisaforms.com/travel/nexus-pass

    With the GEP you skip the lines at the crossing or at airports. It's good deal.

    Cheers
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  4. gplutt

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    Even in the sleeve they give you with it? Maybe its time to line my wallet with a lead shield!
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  5. FlowBee

    FlowBee Just me.

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    One thing about that sleeve - it's aluminum foil lined on the inside. I've had mine for several years now. The aluminum rubs off onto the card, oxidizes black, and leaves black smudges all over the card. They do not come out easily. If I were you I'd ditch the sleeve immediately and find another solution.

    I finally pitched my sleeve and just use an envelope with aluminum foil taped to the outside.
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    I think the next time I make a wallet I'll just line it with foil. I've been thinking about it anyways. My ID is starting to get the smudges all over it, too.
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  7. GSAragazzi

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    Well, here's the good news:"There is no personal information written to the RFID chip. This chip points to a stored record in secure government databases."

    The bad is that "people" who really really really REALLY want one do steal the number and will find a way to find some of your "other" info. For example your licensce plate. With it they will find some more info on you thru public records (owner, residence etc) , they will dig (with aids like Ancestry.com like mothers maiden name, past residence etc) to the point where they can craft a card/id. They can craft an id with YOUR info. now.
    I think the Nexus is the way to go. No more lines and no need for foil.
    Btw, never cross a border With foil in you pocket. It just not a good idea.
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  8. HeyWhatever

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    So, what you are suggesting is that the RFID is a security risk?

    I don't know what a NEXUS is... I guess I will have to google it...

    I was going to just get the passport book because I don't want to do this again next year when I meet some young European stud who wants to make me his princess bride and move to Germany...

    :freaky
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    If you ever might travel outside the US to anywhere, just get a regular passport.
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  10. HeyWhatever

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    Poop... I started the process of doing the Trusted Traveler on the CBP website and it says you have to have an interview at an American border... that does not sound feasible... poop!

    I will just mail in the regular one... I have enough time and then I don't have to deal with it for another ten years.

    Still waiting on my European prince...
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  11. GSAragazzi

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    Nexus is for people who travel to Canada, Sentri is for Mexico.
    Global Pass is for international travel (includes Canada and Mexico too).
    Here's a link:
    http://usa.immigrationvisaforms.com/travel/global-entry-pass

    Btw one of the BEST rides IMHO is by the Rhine river. Gorgeous mountains, sweeping turns, great villages. Just amazing. Great place to meet your Bavarian prince! :freaky
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  12. Canuman

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    After many years of having a passport book, I went over to the card, as it is more durable, and cheaper by a lot. It is not a chipped chard, only mag-striped. The douanes on the US side are becoming more and more suspicious of a tattered passport, and it's difficult to keep a book in good shape on a bike.

    The card is limited in use, but serves well. You can get both with the same form. It's a good idea to make a photocopy of whatever you have and paste it in a secure place. Under the seat works well.
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  13. HeyWhatever

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    There is a direct link on the (dot)gov site for GEOS- which is the government site for applying for NEXUS, etc.

    The one you are providing, GSA, is a (dot)com site, which for me would indicate added cost and added risk in security. Sending my social security number through a (dot)com seems like a very bad idea to me. :huh

    The new passport book has a RFID? chip in the back cover apparently... This may be a new development.

    Just read the entire form I am filling out... and it says the passport book chip will be invalid if wet or melted.

    I keep my passport in a zip lock, and then it stays dry and clean.

    Last time I came into the US in Sault St. Marie, the US agent was a dick... until I told him I was an Army contractor. I expect to get more crap now because I am unemployed...
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  14. KFhunter

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    http://www.getyouhome.gov/html/eng_map.html

    http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/



    If you are in a state or provence that has enhanced drivers licenses I'd reccomend going that route, it's always with you and it's good at any land border/ferry crossing. If your current DL is valid for a long time still then get a passport card if you wish.

    If you plan to fly across borders get a regular passport book.

    If you are going to large ports with typically long wait times get the nexus/sentri/global card.
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  15. KFhunter

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    BS

    Your RFID card is safe, the unique identifier isn't going to help anyone get a credit card issued to them in your name.
    And reading it form "20 feet away" is hogwash too. Also someone scanning your card isn't likely going to hack into the .gov mainframe, why bother with a RFID number at all if they had that capability? :rofl

    Do you have a debit card with fast pay on it? It has an RFID chip, see how close you have to hold it to the keypad in the gas station to get it to read the number.
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  16. KFhunter

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    lol where do you come up with this ? :rofl
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  17. GSAragazzi

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    I'm just a paranoid freak. That's all. Nothing to do with any experience at all :lol3

    I have to wear this foil hat with a wire attached to the top of it, it must -at all times- touch the ground.....to keep me sane :rofl it must have not been touching when I wrote that.

    To each is own, i say go for it." Stolen Identity" never happens, and it's not your responsibility of protecting yourself. It's someone elses anyway.

    Cheers, I'm going riding. :1drink
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  18. tricepilot

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    As applies to moto travel, have both the passport card and passport book. This is how I travel on the bike.

    Hide the passport card under the moto seat or similar. In the odd event your passport is lost or stolen, you don't have to worry about jumping through any hoops to get home across the border to the US on the bike.

    All this worry about aluminum and RFID etc. is workin' it too hard.
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  19. HeyWhatever

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    No one would want to steal MY identity, believe me... through all the medical crap and debt I just took twenty years to dig my way out of... lol I am not a "juicy target".

    I ALWAYS carry the important stuff on my person. THAT way, even if my bike gets stolen or destroyed in a wreck... I don't have to panick. I usually carry a week of meds on me too... that is, on my person.

    Never know when you may get separated from the bike.

    I think I will get both and just carry the card in my wallet for this trip. If I meet my European prince... just have a friend overnight the passport book... just one less thing to fiddle with on the road.

    I have SIXTY DAYS from today until my lease is done... and 2 to 4 weeks after that before I leave... so that SHOULD WORK ok. Just wish I could use my ten year old photo of when I was skinny...

    Toodles... off for photsos and shipping the current book out at the Post Office... :clap:clap:clap
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  20. Strong Bad

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    Serious question:

    Do any of you USA citizens have the personal experience of being not allowed back into the USA because you didn't have a passport or passport card while trying to cross???

    In the last several years I've crossed back into USA from Mexico 5 or 6 times with people in my vehicle without passports or passport cards and it wasn't a big deal at all.
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