Valve shim in my crank case? 950A

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  1. Pariahtize

    Pariahtize Miscategorized

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    Has anyone ever found a valve shim on their magnetic drain plug (bottom of case)??

    it looks just like a small shim, and was attached to my drain plug this afternoon when I drained the beast. . . last service was performed by the dealer, and they just so happened to do a valve adjustment during that service (almost 3k miles ago). This is the first oil change since that service (of course they changed the oil at that time too).

    You can see a wear mark in the center of the shim, as if it were an old one that was replaced (and had been dropped?).

    The bike runs and starts great.

    Any and all thoughts are appreciated!
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    Fooking dealer..ask for your money back.
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  4. Pariahtize

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    Don't have a camera. . . but I'm 98% sure it's a valve shim.
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  5. EastSideSM

    EastSideSM Isn't that dangerous?

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    How many miles on the bike? Check your clutch basket and make sure it isn't missing any of its tabs.
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  6. Pariahtize

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    They completed the 10k mile sservice (valve adj, etc) before selling it on their floor. The PO traded it in for a new bike (Duke?), and so they sold it after the 10k service. I'm pretty sure the bike was serviced at this dealer since day one (local guy, local bike).

    I'm not exactly a mechanic, and I'm trying to think. . . is it even possible to drop a shim and have it end up on the drain plug magnet?

    Thanks -
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  7. Pariahtize

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    Okay, thanks.
    Wish I had a damn camera.

    I will bring the bit to the dealer tomorrow and compare it. . . it does seem small for a shim.

    Edit: About 13k miles.
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    Yes, It is possible. Lucky for them and you it did not get tangled up in the cam chain in its way to the sump.

    Rod
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  9. TheMuffinMan

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    LC8's use 10mm diameter valve shims.

    It's possible to drop one down the cam chain tunnel I guess though I'm not sure it'd make it down to the sump. I'm always super careful and block it with paper towel knowing my klutzy hands....
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    Or, the crank- DAMHIK.

    This probably was not a valve shim, but in any case it didn't belong wandering around in my crankcase.

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    It was an easy fix though, I just had to change one part- one of these.

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  11. what car??

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    Hey OP, out of curiosity what dealership did you buy the bike from and performed the service? I live in the front range, just being nosy really. I was uber anal and careful when I did my valves. It would suck to lose one of those guys in the engine.

    Just had to change one part.... Eewwwph what a pricy part to replace...
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  12. Pariahtize

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    Thanks for the feedback guys. . . pretty sure a shim is what it is.

    When I first saw it I thought, "oh shit, a valve shim".
    It has the slightest ding on an edge. There was a little material (shavings) on the magnet as well, but it looked like my KLR's magnet usually did after an oil change - just kind of a dusty metallic material more than shavings.
    It crossed my mind that they intentionally put it there to help capture metal debris (sticks up a bit further), but that can't be the case.:huh

    I'll be stoppiong by the shop with the bit to have a talk with them tomorrow. I'm assuming no damage was done (good Gawd I hope not).
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    Damn, Mortimer. . . . Good thing you only had to replace one part after that mess!

    I don't want to bring the dealer (name) in on this thread. Again, I'll talk it over with them tomorrow. . . and will try to post a pic up tomorrow too.
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  14. what car??

    what car?? down the road

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    The only reason I asked is that not all dealerships are going to know KTM bikes. Besides on one hand, knowing a bad dealership, IMO, would actually save people possible issues. Like the issue you have expressed. I for one would like to know which dealership(s) to stay away from: think of it as a public service announcement. But then again, I do my own wrenching; but for others out there it just might save them time, expense, and hassles. Mi dos centavos.
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    Confirmed: shim.

    They don't know how it happened, but certainly agreed that it shouldn't have been there (duh). He said he felt bad (and was concerned about work like that). . . and that was about it. Like I said, the bike runs great, so. . . .

    The mechanic and owner said that it could fairly easily make its way into the crankcase - and that, "well, the magnet did its job."
    A bit suprised there wasn't an apology. . . but whatever, I'm not hardly thin-skinned.
    I bought a spare fuel pump, and left. A discount for my troubles and concerns?? :lol3

    Thanks all for the insights last night.
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    Did they ask you for an extra $5.65?
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    So they weren't concerned about where it might have come from? Just cause the bike feels okay your sure that this random shim arrived in the bike how?

    Umm, I'm compulsive enough that I'd have to make sure....... :huh
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    Yeah, I was wondering whether I was being too optimistic in suggesting he got an extra shim rather than extra clearance.
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    "'Umm, I'm compulsive enough that I'd have to make sure....... :huh'" +1

    "'Yeah, I was wondering whether I was being too optimistic in suggesting he got an extra shim rather than extra clearance. '" +1

    Another reason why I wont let shops work on my bike. What happens with shit work and poor attitude from a shop and your tail is making skid marks on the tarmac?? Doubt I would go back! Wrench on it yourself and save money and have greater peace of mind. Is there a warranty on the bike? On the engine? Would completely suck if say down the road tomorrow or next week when she frags on you from the other shim(s). Good luck with her and hope there is no further issues!
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  20. Pariahtize

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    I get what ya'll are saying, but what can I do? Actually, what can anyone do? Well, I s'pose they could tear it down and check the valve clearances again. . . but, it does run great.
    Again, I bought the bike (just) after this work was completed. I always try to do all of the basic services on my own bikes, and all part replacements. A few more oil changes down the road and I'll check the valves myself. You can bet they won't be servicing this bike in the future. . .and I sure won't be rec. them to others looking for service work.

    I just may be shopping more online now too. . . come to think of it, they haven't done too well with ordering parts for me either.:huh I'm pretty sure they're the only KTM shop around the NoCo front range. Anyoen else?

    If their was damage due to their mistakes, then I wouldn't stop until they made it right. In this case, they and I got lucky that nothing was damaged.
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