Vans!

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Hayduke, Feb 18, 2009.

  1. ErikY.

    ErikY. Here, Now.

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2009
    Oddometer:
    3,200
    Location:
    North of you, probably
    Unusual to see Merrikan van in Paris, non?

  2. Gerst

    Gerst Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Oddometer:
    253
    Location:
    Durango, CO
    I'd like to see this in its' pirme!

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
  3. thisflatearth

    thisflatearth 2 wheel has been

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2005
    Oddometer:
    938
    Location:
    Wayne, NJ
  4. Ahar

    Ahar Retired in place

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2009
    Oddometer:
    407
    push me pull ya
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
  5. EvilClown

    EvilClown Reality show stunt double Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2006
    Oddometer:
    16,822
    Location:
    In the shadow of the Uncanoonucs...
    Just saw this over in FM. Not connection. Just thought it was cool.

    [​IMG]
  6. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

    Joined:
    May 13, 2004
    Oddometer:
    28,884
    Location:
    NoVA for now...
  7. Hotspice

    Hotspice Satellites not acquired

    Joined:
    May 17, 2004
    Oddometer:
    5,542
    Location:
    Snow-Bound
  8. ErikY.

    ErikY. Here, Now.

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2009
    Oddometer:
    3,200
    Location:
    North of you, probably
    Man, if I had more time and more money.....


  9. Hayduke

    Hayduke ///SAFETY THIRD/// Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2004
    Oddometer:
    44,204
    Location:
    Salida, coloRADo
    No kidding. That would be a great project.
  10. Geek

    Geek oot & aboot

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2003
    Oddometer:
    32,148
    Location:
    8000ft.
  11. Tom S

    Tom S Can I ride it?

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,603
    Location:
    Anchorage Alaska
  12. RichBeBe

    RichBeBe All Hail Seitan!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Oddometer:
    6,329
    Location:
    NYC
    I get the boo! However I get the reasoning. No fleet would want one since they would be driven by abusive drivers and need a new clutch every few months. Anyone who lives in a big city would likely not want with the stop-and-go traffic. So the market for standard transmissions would not be huge, so why import them? I get it, though I wouldn't buy one I wish others could.
  13. Tom S

    Tom S Can I ride it?

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,603
    Location:
    Anchorage Alaska
    As I understand it the Transit vans in Europe have been offered with stick shifts for years, and still are.
    I really hate automatic transmissions but you can’t even buy a lot of new cars or trucks in the USA with a standard transmission anymore. That just ain’t right.
    Manual transmissions seem to last forever even with zero maintenance. I admit that I did have to change the clutch on my old snow plowin’ 1971 Bronco last year. It was a fleet vehicle from new where I worked. Had a hard life from new, then I got it in ‘76 or ‘77 for plowing snow & it’s life got a lot tougher. Original clutch, had seen 40 years of very hard use. It would still be in there if one of the three pressure plate finger bolts had not broke.
    Pic to clarify that if you want to see it.
    http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/TomIII/VAN/Broncoclutch4.jpg
    The clutch disk was overdue anyway. :shog
    Edit: Fixed link to clutch pic
  14. GP640

    GP640 Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,449
    Location:
    NW AB
    Right, there are no big cities with stop and go traffic in Europe.
    I think it's more of a cultural problem. North Americans in general did not grow up with small
    cars that had manual transmissions so the auto makers don't feel the need to change.
  15. Gummee!

    Gummee! That's MR. Toothless

    Joined:
    May 13, 2004
    Oddometer:
    28,884
    Location:
    NoVA for now...
    Your parents and their parents grew up with sticks in pretty much everything. :nod It wasn't till the 50s/60s that automagics took over. :puke1

    Watch Top Gear (UK) lots of the cars (till just this last season or two) are/were manuals. Most of the low-end stuff on Fifth Gear is still a manual trans.

    If the Brits can do it... :rolleyes

    I wanna row my own thankyouverymuch.

    M
  16. Tom S

    Tom S Can I ride it?

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2004
    Oddometer:
    4,603
    Location:
    Anchorage Alaska
    Damn right!
    But GP640 does have a point. There are now a lot of people that can’t drive a stick shift car. That don't seem right either.
    Even some that I *think* can drive a stick shift are completely baffled when faced with a “Three on the tree”. Seen ‘em! :lol3
    Here is something I saw that’s even worse.
    Pulled in to a local MC dealer & noticed a guy on a bike in a parking lot across the street & one lot down. May have had a friend in a car with him. I was wondering what the guy was doing when a MC shop employee walks up to me & says the guy had just bought a new sport bike. When it came time for him to ride his new bike away from the shop he just kicked it into gear. Didn’t know that he had to use the clutch. Sad. Very sad.
  17. Otis the Sasquatch

    Otis the Sasquatch Long timer

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Oddometer:
    1,176
    Location:
    Kirkwood, MO
    Camper "van".

    The "DecoLiner"
    [​IMG]

    Got 11:30 to spare?


    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/JUzqXJjpq94?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>




    .
  18. GP640

    GP640 Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Oddometer:
    3,449
    Location:
    NW AB
    Hey, I'm not saying I don't want a manual. My parents never owned a manual and the last one my dad
    drove was a Willys Jeep when he was in the artillery. My grandfather owned automatics as soon as he could
    and most of the Ramblers he sold at his dealership had autos.

    Now back to vans....
  19. Ko

    Ko Observant as never

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,110
    Location:
    a spot in the prairies

    I agree- back in Europe I killed only 1 clutch in a VW van, but that was due to overwork. An automatic transmission would've died much sooner.

    I can see why some folks like the automatics, nothing wrong with that, but would be nice if they'd see nothing wrong with my wish to drive a stick.

    After getting my first van in Canada I didn't know what to do with my left foot and right hand, I can't even rest my hand on the shifter :lol3

    Too bad, I really hoped they'd provide the diesel with a manual... Now I'm not sure whether to wait one more year before selling my E350, or shall I wait in the hopes that Iveco is brought over. Although those vans are too overenginereed to compete on price with the Sprinte/Transit, they'll probably bring Ducatos.

    Ko
  20. Ko

    Ko Observant as never

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,110
    Location:
    a spot in the prairies
    I rent quite a few vehicles for work, so I test as many models as the rental companies have. I tried the Escape with the 2.0 Eco, and while the drive was OK for an SUV, the mileage was not. With sane driving, empty car but me, I got about 26mpg. With more spirited driving, same load, same route, different ambient temps but not by much, the mileage went down to 22mpg. Now load the thing with few people and luggage, and one should expect not much higher than 22mpg- highway.

    I can't see how I'd be happy with an Ecoboost engine in a van, but then perhaps my expectations are much higher than others' because I got spoiled by the better mileage one gets with vehicles in Europe.

    Ko