Vehicle to Vehicle communications for Safety

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by filmfan, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. filmfan

    filmfan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Oddometer:
    1,272
    Location:
    here
    Definite mixed feelings about this;

    US DOT has been studying V2V comm systems that will allow vehicles to to keep tabs on each other.
    Read about it here;
    http://www.its.dot.gov/research/v2v.htm

    I sure hope aftermarket boxes are available, 'cause I don't want to be riding a moto without a transponder in the midst of a bunch of drivers who figure they don't need to pay any attention to what's going on around them because the computer will warn them.

    OTH, if it could eliminate or greatly reduce SMDSY's, I'd be all for it.

    What are people's thoughts on the pros and cons of this? I can see benefits for bikes if the bike can transmit it's position to the cars nearby. What about cars telling the bike about their presence? At stop lights, for example? Yes, WE'RE supposed to be paying attention too, but sometimes attention slips.

    Do you see benefits for car to bike V2V?
    #1
  2. tommysmothers

    tommysmothers Flamesuit equipped

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2013
    Oddometer:
    195
    Location:
    MD
    I thought of the same thing this morning.

    "I don't have to look at the road cuz my car takes care of it for me"


    I'd rather we went straight to driverless cars.
    #2
  3. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2009
    Oddometer:
    2,322
    Location:
    Tool Shed
    I'm thinking that has already happened, and this is the crux of the problem ... :deal
    #3
  4. dwoodward

    dwoodward Long timer

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2005
    Oddometer:
    6,647
    Location:
    Pacific NorthWet, Napa Valley North
    Also retrofit to every deer, cow, buffalo, dog, cat, squirrel, pedestrian, crocodile, kangaroo, bicyclist, and truck tire carcass that might be found on a roadway. Then throw in the random slamming on brakes for no reason factor, GPS losing signal (usually at the end of a compounding GPS margin of error), someone's sensors get blocked from road debris or smashed bugs...

    And do it all at once, because a mix of some have it, some don't could get really ugly.
    #4
  5. MADurstewitz

    MADurstewitz MADMark

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Oddometer:
    159
    Location:
    Joisey, not far from NYC
    Since the security on this technology is laughable, I'd avoid it like the plague. It's 802.11. Basically a wireless LAN. If it also acts as a router to transmit information elsewhere "for your safety":huh it will probably be pretty easy to hack. Even more so if you can't change the admin password, which is always posted on the web somewhere.:deal

    As an example, the system for monitoring tire pressure runs on bluetooth and has been shown to be incredibly easy to hack from as far away as 100 meters. Once they're in, it doesn't take much to play with things like lights, wipers, engine speed, brakes, anything else the computer controls . . .

    You can be sure some geek will find a way in and play with it. Maybe even the NSA if its a foreign car as they are busy hacking companies like Siemens for trade secrets our pharma industry can use.:lol3
    #5
  6. KeithinSC

    KeithinSC Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2009
    Oddometer:
    2,475
    Location:
    Sandhills of SC
    I wonder how the system will react when two vehicles on an intercept course that look like they will collide...but one is on a surface road and the other is on the overpass?

    And our Government wants this in place by 2016??? Most manufacturers can't even approve a new color in 3 years:lol3
    #6
  7. jgiacobbe

    jgiacobbe Long timer

    Joined:
    May 2, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,006
    Location:
    Near Richmond VA
    Frankly this scare the crap out of me. Auto manufacturers are notoriously bad at securing electronic systems that have any kind of software. Also since it is pretty much an open system by design it wouldn't be hard to build a transmitter unit with specious info for the purposes of gaming the system or using it to cause mayhem. I'm all for safety but most of the driving aids have had all most no effect on safety. They just become on more thing to make everyone's most deadly activity require less attention. Doesn't matter if you are not paying attention, the car will stop for you. Truthfully in the US we just need to do what we can to subsidize mass transit. With efficient mass transit, the only people driving are the ones who want to be, and they tend to be slightly more engaged.
    #7
  8. claude512

    claude512 Adventurer

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2009
    Oddometer:
    24
    How about having people take actual real driving lessons?! you know, like actually teach them driving...

    sometimes you guys over the pond have things completely backwards
    #8
  9. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2010
    Oddometer:
    10,318
    Location:
    Barrie Ont
    I've used a two way radio which is hooked into my autocom and chatted with my kids on another radio in a nearby vehicle..

    It was fun.
    #9
  10. machinebuilder

    machinebuilder Long timer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008
    Oddometer:
    1,257
    Location:
    East Tennessee
    Lets introduce something else to society


    PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY



    George Orwell was only a few years off.
    #10
  11. Gripsteruser

    Gripsteruser Got a handle on it

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2013
    Oddometer:
    1,269
    Location:
    N. Colo
    I predict-

    First implementation will be for the cops to query your ECU for speed history.........

    And then to accept the command for graceful shutdown so you pull over for your ticket.


    Seems like a blue sky idea with more pitfalls in implementation than reasons it'll work.
    #11
  12. Anonawesome

    Anonawesome Scenic Rider

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Oddometer:
    1,394
    Location:
    Head in ID, heart in OH
    And then comes checkpoints.....
    #12
  13. deacon51

    deacon51 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2010
    Oddometer:
    492
    Location:
    Maryland
    Oh, its goanna happen. It's just a matter of time. The Government would love take control of your car away from you while you’re on a public road. You know... for safety, or the environment, or efficiency, or "the children”, or national security, or anti-terrorism. Whichever issue you support. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    My only hope is that when they add in the ability for the cops to auto-pull over your car that someone builds a system for bikes that causes cars to move to the right when I come up behind them. <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    To tell the truth, my wife have a 2012 Ford Explorer and it has a collision avoidance system, that is very intrusive at times. This will just be another vector for data input into this system. <o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    (True Story!) It's kind of cool to use the active cruise control and the lane assist monitor. The thing will stay in the lane and stay a set distance from the car in front automatically. The only down side is if you try and watch a movie on your cell phone while driving it dings and flashes a warning that you should get a cup of coffee.
    #13
  14. zuker13

    zuker13 Adventurer

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Oddometer:
    16
    my car talks to your car and tells it to get the hell out of way?? what if it's a female car talking to a manly car. that's really gonna work.
    safety huh? first get rid of cell phones for drivers. i know there's laws written for that and it's really working.
    how about a device that kills a phone in a car? that makes more sense.
    #14
  15. Mesjr

    Mesjr Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2013
    Oddometer:
    194
    Location:
    Kc mo
    Next they will be mailing you speeding tickets because your car will inform authorities that you are exceeding posted speed limits. All the technology is there , the gps knows your location and the posted speed limit .
    #15
  16. dragos

    dragos Belzebut

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2004
    Oddometer:
    1,739
    Location:
    Europe (Romania, Germany, UK)
    It's planned in Europe as well.
    And a lot of other incredibly stupid things as well.
    #16
  17. SloMo228

    SloMo228 World Class Cheapass

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2012
    Oddometer:
    1,874
    Location:
    SE Michigan
    I'm actually OK with it, on its face, for car/truck traffic. It would be nice to take the cagers who are already barely paying attention to driving out of the equation entirely. Improving the predictability of the traffic around me is a good thing. That said, I sure as hell don't want it on my motos, and I would definitely want the ability to turn it off if I felt like taking control. And I know there's a huge potential for abuse of the system, which could conceivably far outweigh the usefulness of implementing it.

    All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me.
    #17
  18. manfromthestix

    manfromthestix Lost in Space

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2004
    Oddometer:
    3,123
    Location:
    Lexington, Virginia
    "All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me. "

    I don't know about this. When I first heard this story on the news the other night my first thought was "Oh great, a device that will allow people to pay even less attention to what's going on around them!" I'm with the folks who posted previously - we need drivers to pay MORE attention and develop better skills, not make it even easier for them to ignore what's going on around them until it's too late.

    I had a conversation with a 21 y.o. friend of the family recently who was complaining that she needed ADHD drugs because she just couldn't keep up with her school work and all the other demands on her attention. My suggestion was to put down the cell phone, log off FaceBook and Twitter, turn off the music, turn off the TV, quit smoking dope and drinking every day, quit trying to study in the middle of a party, etc. and see if that helps before you turn to some unnecessary drug. It's just bad habits, or more precisely a lack of good habits, that are the problem here. She looked at me like I was a total idiot - why do something that's demanding and difficult if I can just pop a pill and magically be a model student??

    Same story with hands-free parallel parking assist and other things that allow people to never learn any skills or pay any attention. I fail to see how these things will lead to anything but chaos, especially since some vehicles will have it and a lot won't.

    I even hate the fact that my car locks it's fooking doors when I shift it into Drive... If I want the damned doors locked, I'll hit the damned button myself!

    End Rant. :D

    Doug<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
    #18
  19. ttpete

    ttpete Rectum Non Bustibus

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Oddometer:
    6,732
    Location:
    Dearborn, MI
    Everything's hackable. Sooner or later, someone will find out how to get into any ECU and change or turn on/off just about any function. The one in my Ducati has been reflashed to turn off the closed loop/O2 sensor function and the fuel and spark maps have been altered for pure performance.

    The ECU in my truck sits out in the engine compartment, and I can remove it in a few minutes if necessary, which is something I might do if I thought someone was going to prowl through it. It doesn't have a GPS function, though.
    #19
  20. acejones

    acejones Long timer

    Joined:
    May 14, 2005
    Oddometer:
    5,437
    Location:
    MS. Gulf Coast and Puerto Vallarta, MX
    Shouldn't you be driving instead of having a conversation for fun ?
    #20