Vespa 946 confirmed for US *w00t*

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by thunderkat59, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    That thing is expected to cost as somewhere between the BV300 and BV350
    (22 and 33hp) here in EU, or.. almost as much as a Kawasaki ER6n.

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  2. JerryH

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    I like all the BV scooters, and they would be my choice for a freeway legal scooter. At least with them you get something besides looks. I can't imagine the 946 being a blast to ride, from the seat it looks just like an LX150 or an S150, and if it tops out at 50 mph, it wouldn't be very exiting. Riding it would be strictly a visual experience. Like the VW New Beetle, and cars like the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang, they are nice to look at, but when you are behind the wheel you don't see any of that, and they drive and feel just like a plain 4 door sedan. The V8 models have more power, which you can't use because of the cops, but they are still quiet and smooth, and isolate the driver and passenger from the driving experience. Modern scooters tend to do this too, and I find them very appliance like. But at least you are still out in the open. My Stella 2 stroke with a manual transmission really is a blast to ride, to bad it is not reliable to risk taking on a long trip.

    Vespa has a 65 year heritage. They need to go back in time and build something based on a '60s design. It has certainly worked well for Harley, though the Japanese have not had such good luck with it. Kawasaki's W650 was a beauty, but they dropped it before I had a chance to buy one.
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  3. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    It IS the size of the LX, more or less.
    The power is 11-13hp (125-150cc).

    You can expect GPS 60mph out of the 125, probably a few mph more
    from the 150.

    The Piaggio Fly 100 4 stroke with 6,6hp is good for over 50mph indicated.
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  4. Tanshanomi

    Tanshanomi Your Favorite Uncle

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    Wait, where's the spare tire?
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  5. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Considering it's a Piaggio - you'd rather have a spare set of electronics then
    a tire IMHO.

    Or:
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  6. ferrix

    ferrix Been here awhile

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    I really disagree with this! 'Something based on 60s design' is exactly what they have been building, as every model in their range up to this point is pretty much more of the same. Yes, it worked for them, as a part of Piaggio group - I wonder how well they would fare as an independent company!
    It also worked for HD up to the point but then you have the problem that HD now faces: they seriously need to refresh their range to appeal to next generations of riders, but their customer base won't let them! However, Vespa lucked out with this design as they managed to create something that is both contemporary AND clearly maintaining links to their traditional designs. They should run with that, for all it's worth! As for going back in time... the traditional manual scooter is by now just a niche product that appeals only to a few hardcore enthusiasts and would not sustain a brand that needs to sell in volume. Besides, I'm sure you know they've already got one of these, namely the PX.
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  7. Cortez

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    I don't think guys @ Vespa have great expectations from the 946.
    It's a "fashion statement", or a "look what we can do" thing.

    The 946 is not replacing any of their current models that's making
    money for them.

    With a line-up of very retro looking scoots, this is exactly what then
    needed, a modern retro if you will, not something just like the old
    ones.
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  8. hillbillypolack

    hillbillypolack Grumpy Old Goat

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    Side views look great. Kinda fugly from the front though.
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  9. Willie B

    Willie B Been here awhile

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    This scooter wasn't designed for the masses, and most of the members posting comments contained here regarding this scoot obviously aren't the targeted end users. I think it's nice that someone has designed something from a clean sheet of paper that is obviously going to turn heads. I will definitely pick one up as I see this a being something unique, in short supply and probably something that will hold it's value. For all you guys piloting your plastic clad scoots designed and manufactured in the asian rim, rest easy knowing that you are the true red headed step children of the big bike manufacturers or the Walmart inspired inexpensive alternative scooters. If you feel intimidated by something you truly don't understand, be kind, and don't make it so obvious about how miserable you are in the life you lead.
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  10. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    While I do understand the design goal of the 946, your comments tell
    more about you then about the guys that don't like the 946.

    How miserable your life is that you HAVE TO own something "unique".
    Is the sole purpose of buying it just because you think you'll be one
    of the few owners? Sounds like compensating for something to me.

    Hold it's value? Hold it for what?
    You're already thinking about selling it?

    Motorcycles are very rarely an investment that can earn you money.

    There's plenty of "clean sheet of paper designs that turn heads", and
    none of those folks feel the need to justify their choice, not to mention
    justifying it even before buying the damn thing.

    Reality check?
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  11. Willie B

    Willie B Been here awhile

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    Ouch, did I strike a nerve? I'm single and popular with the women, so it's safe to assume my looks and anatomy aren't an issue. Vespa offered a limited scooter (GT60) back in '07 of 250 units stateside. They command goofy prices because of uniqueness and availability. $9500 to $11,500 for a used scooter depending on location, condition and mileage. PX150s bring good money, as do P200s and so on. I see the 946 as something to ride and enjoy that I won't see myself coming and going on. I don't see the prices tanking because of this. Like I stated earlier, for those who seem threatened by something unique and different, I don't think you were the intended purchaser. I have several Honda Ruckus (Zoomer) scoots which are built by Kymco for Honda. They are amazing little scoots for camping or taking to a horse show, but everyone there has one and they do what they're intended to do, nothing else. Point A to point B, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not going to get on here and talk down your Kymco and I expect the same courtesy from you. I can't recall getting personal about someone's shortcomings for not liking the new 946, what gives with you? It's not gong to appeal to everyone including you. Why do you feel that the forum is the place to put me down as well as something you aren't interested in purchasing? Hopefully we won't read your thoughts, but I have a feeling we will.
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  12. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    Read the last sentence of your post before this one, you're possibly
    putting down a lot of people with that statement.

    You missed a couple of other points too so I'll just leave it at that.
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  13. Moto Mark

    Moto Mark Been here awhile

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    I've put my deposit down and will be taking my chances,

    Really, at the end of the day its only money. If I get it and love it it will be money well spent. If I don't I'll take the hit, sell it and move on. Period.

    Thers's been way too much jawing here about a scooter thats not going to be on sale for at least six months. How about waiting until you can actually see and ride in person to praise or complain ??
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  14. pebble35

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    Just got May 2013 confirmed as delivery date in the UK :clap:clap:clap
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  15. Cortez

    Cortez BAZINGA!

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    What's the price compared to GTS250/300?
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  16. pebble35

    pebble35 Long timer

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    Don't thik we have had a definite UK price but we are expecting it to be £6,500 to £7,000. Which makes it about 1.7 times the price of the GTS 300.
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  17. Cortez

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    Jesus.
    T-max teritory.

    Oh sorry, that's a plastic scooter.
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  18. Krusty ...

    Krusty ... What? Me hurry?

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    Is it just me, or does the seat look like it was designed by H.R. Giger?

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