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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by Dabears, Nov 1, 2013.
Oh, and no drive belt.... or retail pricing.
Considering that Vetrix has gotten into serious financial trouble more than once in tha past decade, I'm surprised the company is an a position to build anything.
Agree. There are still new 1st generation Vectrix's languishing unloved and unsold in some (unfortunate) dealerships here and there.
Owned one for 2 years. Not a bad scooter except, poor factory/dealer support. I let my charge get too low which interfered with the recharging program. I had to wait 8 months and spend> $500 to get it running.
Electric scooters make sense for someone who only uses their scooter for short trips around town. They do save money on gas and maintenance but that will probably be outweighed by the high initial price.
Personally, I think electric vehicles are improving but still have a ways to go before they are really a practical alternative to internal combustion for most people.
If you really want an electric scooter on the scale of the Vectrix, wait till next year and buy the BMW.
The Tesla models are the ONLY electric vehicles Ive ever looked twice at. Sexy and attractive to rival the sleekest from Italy IMO.
Agree with you on electric scooters dabears....a solution to whats barely a problem since if significantly more people rode scooters and other vehicles with MPGe in that neighborhood gas would be plentiful and priced accordingly to reflect that.
Where they REALLY need to focus on this technology is trucks, and large SUV's where the American market tastes still seem to gravitate to.
I was 35 miles into a 100+ mile trip when the belt broke. A 55 mile range wouldn't have done it. I passed a Nissan Leaf yesterday while riding my Stella.
But unless someone makes a major breakthrough, electric vehicles will remain expensive toys for the foreseeable future. While I have no interest in electric cars, motorcycles, or scooters I actually want an electric bicycle. Right by my house we have a canal, with a bike path alongside it. But it is 10 miles long, and would require a real world 20 mile range to ride from one end to the other and back. There is no such bicycle. Many of the super expensive ones claim such a range, but when you read the fine print, it requires some pedaling (which I can no longer do because of knee problems) and depends on rider weight and terrain.
Gas powered vehicles do not have these limitations, but cannot be ridden on bike paths.
The entire U.S. interstate highway system, the best in the world, would be useless for electric vehicles. Tesla is installing charging stations in some areas, but it takes a minimum of one hour to charge it. What do you do while waiting? It would take decades and cost billions to install enough of these charging stations to make electric vehicles usable on highways.
And do you think big oil is going to stand by and let that happen?
Look at the price of electric vehicles compared to far more practical gas powered vehicles. I put a 4 gallon gas tank on my XT225 to give me more range, and it is still not enough, so I rigged up a way to carry another gallon in two 1/2 gallon jugs in tank bags.
As for the looks of the Tesla, the Fisker Karma looks way better. Unfortunately they just went bankrupt, and the Chinese are interested in buying what's left. I predict the same thing for Tesla. They had a better long range plan, so it will take longer.
Anybody see the video of the Tesla that caught on fire after striking an object in the road?
Yep. An ICE car may have caught fire too. I also saw the article where the responding FD praised the design of the car for 1. preventing the driver from being injured, and 2. making it a realtively easy fire to put out, and clean up after.
Didn't Ford have some trouble with the Pinto catching fire a good while back?
I could have sworn seeing an advertisment for a Vetrix scooter advertising the price as $7,500 and at the time it qualified for a $7,500 tax credit. So it was affectively free. However I don't know all the details and it was a few years ago.
I am warming up to electric vehicles. I think its the future as technology improves and we get more greenies in power. It will only be a given once they find out just how bad the automobile has been on human health and the enviroment all these years. Not that I buy all that nonsense and its not like electric vehicles are better for your health or the enviroment. They may in fact be worse.
What does your belt braking have anything to do with the electric vehicles??? So what if you pass a Leaf, I can pass a Ferrari on my bicycle when it isn't moving much faster then walking speed. Last I saw a leaf does freeway speeds just fine, something a Stella can't.
Fast or Free!!!
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Forget the coal fired power plants, have you ever seen what is involved with producing the batteries and their component materials? And if that doesn't turn your stomach, watch the recycling process. That being said, I'd still like to have a Zero Motorcycles DS. I've ridden one and the loudest sound at cruising speed is the chain going over the sprockets. Lots of instant torque and very centralized mass to improve handling.
As a matter of fact, no, there was actually no unusual catching on fire problem with the Pinto. I've done hours of research, and the real fact is that no more Pintos caught fire in accidents than any other car. It was an internal memo from one Ford employee to another that got leaked to the public that started the whole thing. It turned into another "Bermuda Triangle" type affair. Late model Crown Vics also had a reputation for catching fire in minor collisions, that turned out to be mostly police cars, where they removed the spare tire, a structural component, to get more storage room in the trunk. 1973-1987 Chevy/GMC pickups also supposedly had a fire issue due to the gas tank being mounted on the left side of the bed, but that too turned out to be unfounded. Many ICE cars of all makes and models have caught fire in accidents, the result of carrying a large container of gasoline.
I think people were surprised that an electric car with no gas tank caught fire as well, especially since that particular car is something of a "celebrity" right now.
As for the broken belt, someone mentioned that an electric scooter does not have a belt. But the thing is, had I been on an electric scooter, I would not have been able to make the trip I was on in the first place. Insufficient range.
And as for the Nissan Leaf, I just threw that in there because someone else mentioned seeing a Tesla.
I actually see cars like the Chevy Volt as being the way to go, with one major problem. The price, compared to a gas only powered car. The Volt also has a gasoline engine, and unlimited range. I've seen quite a few of them around. But they will also remain a curiosity, unless GM can get them into the mainstream price and reliability wise.
And for those greenies who only think of air pollution and not land and water pollution, electric vehicles are actually more damaging to the environment than current gas powered cars. I read an article a couple of years ago from a reliable source, that a Jeep Wrangler was more environmentally friendly during it's lifetime (including manufacture and scrapping/recycling) than a Toyota Prius, by a considerable amount. Looking at tailpipe emissions only gives you a totally inaccurate view of the overall picture.
I'm ok with the idea of an electric bike and I do think they're probably a big part of the future of motorcycles (and cars too.) As far as where the electricity comes from, even if all our power came from burning coal (which it doesn't), it'd still be less polluting than burning gas in a small engine.
The thing about the Vectrix is that it's a small dedicated business that only makes electric scooters. If a larger corporation with experience in manufacturing bikes were making the scooter, I'd be a lot more likely to pay attention, but from what I've seen and heard about the original Vectrix bikes, they look about as reliable as a chinese bike and with roughly the same lack of customer support.
There's a dealership half an hour from here that has a bunch of the original Vectrix bikes, brand new, for under $2k, which is certainly low enough to be attractive, but the problem is what do I do with it when something breaks? I can fix 75% of the things likely to break on my Yamaha and pay pretty much any shop to fix the things that are over my head. If anything broke on the Vectrix I'd have to take it to a mechanic, and I can't imagine that most shops are going to be willing to work on it.
I'm sure BMW is going to do a better job, and were Kymco, Honda, or Piaggio to come out with an electric I'd pay attention to them too.
Burgman fuel cell scooter.
In the 4-wheel environment Suzuki began trials in 2010 with their Range-Extender Swift "with the purpose of collecting information such as driving data and service technology suited for traffic condition of each area." The engine driving the generator was of 660cc capacity.
My biased thought as a potential consumer on electric vehicles is to compare them to a base gas equivalent....for example, a common 4 Cylinder, seat 2 adults and 2 children and 10 gal gas ( sound familiar? 'A bug') ....does the the electric: 1. Have the equivalent range before recharge/refill? 2. Does recharging/refilling take an equivalent amount of time as putting in 10 gal gas? (< 4-5 minutes?) 3. Is it offered at a price point worth looking at? Or is just an ego-stroking, smug producing elitist toy?
If the answer is "no" to anyone of them...then they are smug producing, elitist toy curiosities.
IMHO....as a potential consumer.
Doesn't matter if car or bike. basically, same three rules.
One similar 50cc scooter body style comparison . . $2845 electric . . $870 gas.