Volvo Car Knowledge Needed

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  1. scottalot

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    Looking at buying a new to me used car or truch since I sold my truck. Really don't care to much which one I get.

    I do have some draw towards the Volvo Station Wagons, my age is showing lol..

    I'm a little nervous about getting one though, esp with turbo. I hear the turbo's go out and are very expensive to fix..

    So, are my sources right? Should I run from a volvo, esp one with turbo.. How are the $'s on general repairs?

    One I'm looking at is a 2002 Volvo V70 Turbo with 86,000 miles on it.. Thanks in advance for any info..
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  2. gozirra

    gozirra Spam?

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    Only experience I have with a volvo is my buddies 03 s80 twin turbo.

    In the year he has had it he has had issues with, vac lines, throttle body unit, axle, blinker housing, turbo inlet hoses, turbo oil line, power steering line, and oil around the top of the sparkplugs. Interior would have speaker grill falling off, buttons that are sticking, center console door issues and problems reading codes (attributed to the throttle sensor issue).
    Now this could all be due to poor maintenance from the original owner, but its not my car.

    Under 70k miles but it was cheap and it has not left him stranded yet.


    I have always wanted an 850R wagon.:deal
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  3. muddywater

    muddywater Been here awhile

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    All my Volvos have been rear wheel drive. A total of four.
    They required some care and tinkering but were solid cars.
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  4. It'sNotTheBike

    It'sNotTheBike Banned

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    I've been involved in the car repair industry and so I get
    to see more stuff than someone who just owns a car.


    There are aspects of the design of newer Volvos which are appalling.
    For example in some engines the valve cover is the upper cam bearing.
    That's done to save money and probably also to make robotic assembly
    more practical but it's just not good engine design. I would not want a Volvo
    made since Ford became involved even though the R wagon is fun and definitely
    quick for a wagon.


    If you stated what you actually need the car to do it would be easier to
    make a recommendation. But you do seem to want a wagon.


    I love wagons. I think it's the most practical car design
    ever, and I think it is pathetic that the SUV idiocy has taken
    over to the extent it has.


    If you have to get a wagon get a Subaru with a manual
    transmission. They will do pretty much anything you need a
    car to do and they are very reliable as long as you buy carefully.
    Some of the 2.5 liter engines had problems with head gaskets so
    you need to educate yourself before just going out and buying any
    old Subaru. Best to pay a PRO who is very familiar with the make of car
    you're interested in to do a comprehensive pre-purchase inspection before buying
    ANY used car unless you are truly expert on the car on question. Asking questions on this
    forum is NOT an substitute for a professional inspection.


    I love German cars but if I had to buy a new wagon it would be a Subaru,
    without question.


    A newer Volvo ? No way. Now, the older Volvos ( e.g. 245 wagon ) were
    super reliable tanks though they were pretty boring to drive. If all you need is two wheel
    drive and you can find a solid 245 Volvo, that IS a car that was built to last and if
    you take care of it the thing can be passed down to your children.


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  5. scottalot

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    Thanks everyone for the replies.. Those were enough to scare me away from a newer Volvo.. I do like the older ones still and have known many to run forever and ever..

    I do like the Subaru wagons as well.. Those are actually at the top of the list next to the Volvo wagons.. I must admit I know nothing whatsoever about the Subaru's in terms of longevity and cost of repairs.

    I'm really open to my next vehicle. Basically, I'm looking for reliability, affordable repairs, and something that I can fit my wife, youg daughter, and sometimes the dog into. I would also like to be able throw some stuff from lowes in the back from time to time. However, I can work with that a little as I still have a little 4'x8' trailer that I use for little odd's and ends such as towing the Bike.


    Also, what year did Ford take involvment within Volvo?
    So, I need to be able to tow a little,m albeit very rarely. I would love an extended cab toyota but people are very proud of those with the prices I'm seeing. I'd rather not get something with 200k miles and would also like to stay in the $5k range.. I may be asking a lot but it is what it is.. Oh, and I do not want another V-8 for now.. Trying to get some better mpg's that the Hemi I just got rid of..
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  6. gozirra

    gozirra Spam?

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    Now subaru on the other hand I do know about.

    I have a 2003 wrx currently with 200K on it, I have had to replace the valve cover gaskets once and the oil fill tube gasket once. The rest, standard oil changes and the rest. I have owned 13, yes 13 different subaru's. Get an older outback or forester and it should treat you right, want more power and a manual, get a wrx wagon.

    Repair prices are not bad, independent shops charge about the same as any import repair place. Parts are easy enough to get from the dealer or many smaller retailers, and the fan base/owners are rabid for the brand and have lots of forums for support.
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  7. aftCG

    aftCG Been here awhile

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    Ford no longer owns Volvo. They're owned by the Chinese...

    My girlfriend owns a 2002 Volvo S60. T5, AWD, auto. It's a low pressure turbo and has no extra maintenance issues to be concerned with.

    In general it's been a good car. Coming up on 180k miles it started skipping the 2-3 shift. A shop quoted her $5k for a transmission.

    I looked around and found her symptoms, and they were the result of a servo cover failure. $30 part, with a bit of fiddling to get it compressed well enough to get the snap ring in.

    Problem solved.

    I've owned a couple of BMWs (3 series, perfectly reliable cars), and I've been driving a 2005 Subaru Outback XT (2.5 turbo), which I've bumped up to stage 2. Much higher risk of ingesting a turbo.

    The thing hauls serious ass and is a freak in the snow and mud.
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  8. scottalot

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    You make for a tempting example of ownership :) I have always liked those as well.. If I do buy one it will be a wagon for sure. If you all can't tell I'm itching for a wagon. Sold the big truck and would like to have a good ol comfy long lasting wagon to replace it with. I'm on the serious look out and its just a matter of finding a non-abused decent priced one out there. Be it the older Volvo or a Subaru, although now I feel a slight lean towards the Subaru.
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  9. LuciferMutt

    LuciferMutt Rides slow bike slow

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    My sister had an 850 T5 turbo. That was a really fun, very quick car with a mean sounding exhaust...but my GOD what a pile of crap. O2 sensors failed, exhaust components were rusted out well before they should have been, transmission problems causing limp mode all the time, interior trim falling off, 70mph shimmy that could not be cured, mystery overheating problem, problems with the brake caliper alignments, etc. There was more, but I can't remember everything.

    I can't speak for the newer Volvos and can only hope the quality is improved -- but the V70 is not that much different from the 850 in overall design. I'd stay away.
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  10. Beezer

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    get a P1800ES :evil
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  11. Looksgoodinblack

    Looksgoodinblack Long timer

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    I bought my first Volvo six years ago. It was an 850 wagon non turbo. Not a speed demon but comfortable and reliable. It had couple of issues but I only took it to mechanic to put new timing in it. I bought it with 135K miles and put another 50K in four years. Now I have another two Volvos. 99 and 98 V70, I wanted to try the Subaru but yhe head gaskets failed at140K, a small repair that costs $2K...

    Long story short, stay away from years 99, 01, 02 and 03 buy Haynes manual for the little shit repairs and enjoy the most versatile car out there.

    I tow three bikes, and sleep in it too
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  12. barnyard

    barnyard Verbal tactician Super Moderator

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    Back when I had 2 Volvos, brickboard.com was the place to go for all things Volvo.
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  13. achtung3

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    Got my 86 240GL wagon in 95 with 157K on it, it has more than 300K+ (odometer is broken since 2001) and my car still running pretty strong I take on trips without much worries, it had some parts replaced let me list them: radio, radiator, alternator, fuel pump, 2 speedometers and at least two sets of tires, brakes pads, timing belt, shocks, a extremely pitted front windshield ($175) because I could hardly see it thru when the sunlight comes directly in front, and a seal for the oil pan, several sets of spark plugs, distributor + caps.
    Many parts I replaced myself because it is easy to replace them and the engine compartment is very roomy.

    I am pretty pleased with the car although it is showing its age I will be sorry when I have to stop driving this car in the future, and would like to get another same model if possible.

    Ps. It does not consume or leak a drop of oil.

    Good luck on you Volvo purchase.:D

    My block has 12 houses and at one time we had 10 Volvos and Now only 7 Volvos, newer and oldest "Mine", 4 wagons, 2 sedans and 1 suv.
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  14. scottalot

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    Thanks everyone for the replies and good info. I'm looking all over the place for either an older Volvo Wagon or a Subaru with moderately low miles. I fond a 2006 Suzuki Forenza Wagon right on my Island this morning w/ only 100k on it for 3800.00 , however, after reading reviews online I quickly realized that would be a mistake. They, evidently, have many issues, get pricey to fix, and the dealerships that service them are shutting down. So, no Suzi wagon for me.. The search continues. Hopefully, as summer gets closer more of them will hit the market as people decide to sell their trusty old wagons for a fun beach oriented Jeep or whatever. Their loss my gain :)
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  15. scottalot

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    While we're talking Station Wagons.. What's the general feeling when it comes to Volkswagen's? Say the 2003 ish models..
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  16. larryboy

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    2008 C30 :wink:

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    Had a 99 VW TDI, the entire car fell apart by 117,000 miles. I wrench for a living and don't like working on cars at home. I'd look at a new VW or a granny owned 12,000 mile 2003...nothing with any amount of miles on it.


    We're loving the C30, I like wagons too, but the kids are gone and the coupe hatch thing is okay for us. Turbo's don't scare me, sometimes they scatter and take out the intercooler, sometimes they last forever.
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  17. Mr. Canoehead

    Mr. Canoehead Taste Gunnels!

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    My wife has a 2002 V70 T5 (high pressure turbo) and contrary to the posts above, it has been an excellent car. The only issue has been that it eats bulbs - seems like every couple of months, another bulb goes and I have become an expert at replacing them. I usually replace cars at 10 years but this one is going strong.

    It had a horribly soft suspension when new but IPD sway bars and Bilstein shocks fixed it up. I currently have to replace the front control arm bushings and timing belt but those are wear items. I also did the trans servo cover mod and replaced the engine and trans mounts with IPD upgraded items when they wore out. I think that is it, not bad for an 11 year old car.

    You can get the factory service manual on FleaBay and IPD is a great resource for parts and accessories.

    It's not mentioned above but the Dynaudio sound system rocks! It is the best sound I have ever heard from a factory deck. If you buy a V70, look for the upgraded audio system - the base system is pretty crappy.

    When my wife finally gets tired of it, I won't buy another Volvo, however. I'm not buying anything from Geely.
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  18. rickcj7

    rickcj7 Been here awhile

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    My little 05 Jetta TDI only has 370k on it and still runs and looks near new. Its all in how they are taken care of.
    Volvos are damn good cars. 03 V70 AWD 210k had the cluster repaired for $100 and the auto trans rebuilt at 180k for $2000 not bad at all and it still looks great and runs great.
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  19. ThosMa

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    I have a 2005 V70 2WD non-turbo. It's only got about 55,000 miles on it, thanks to my employer's telecommuting policy. In that time I have spent $0 (zero) on repairs or anything beyond scheduled maintenance. The only issue I had was with the power window controls getting a little flaky. I fixed it with a little silicone on the weatherstrip and resetting the electronics according to a tip I found on the Net.

    That's not many miles for a Volvo, but it suggests that the Ford-era Volvos aren't so bad.

    Before that I had a 1990 Subaru Loyale 4WD wagon that I bought new in October 1989 and donated to science (well, the local vocational school) 16 years and 130,000 miles later. At times I still regret not fixing it and keeping it. I didn't replace it with another Subaru because I didn't like road feel of the permanent-AWD cars. But that's just a personal preference. My dad put 105,000 on his 1977 Subaru 1600 4WD wagon in the space of 4 years.

    I know there have been issues with newer Subarus, but the ones from the selectable-4WD era were pretty near mechanically indestructable. If you can find one that isn't rusted out, I'd say buy it.

    Thos/MA
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  20. scottalot

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    With all this info. it drives a hard bargin as to what is best. I guess, it really does come down to how it was treated, maintained, and driven. I'm really in no major hurry to buy. My wife on the other hand would rather me buy sooner than later. Being that I sold my truck, I'm down to only the Vee for my transportation and her Civic for the family.. At least her car only has 10k on it.. I say it needs to be driven more - she's only put less than 5k a yr. on it.

    So, I'm looking for my next vehicle and will post up what I find, esp if I buy something :)
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