VW JEtta Sportwagon TDI (diesel)

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by Motociclista, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. JNRobert

    JNRobert Breaking Wind

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    With the rumored 1.8T for next year to replace the current 2.5 I'm wondering if the sticker premium you pay on the TDi will be worth it (I've test driven the TDi a couple of times and a big fan).
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  2. John Nash

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    I have owned the new passat TDi for a year now and 23.5K miles. I love this car! Very Good fit & finish, performance & handling.You can't beat it for the price. Mileage 40-45 mpg is very cost effective also.I have owned alot of cars in the past 40 years and have test driven four times as many.Finally there are even more diesels coming to the USA this year.Subaru needs to bring a diesel here after all they are in Europe. The TDi engine with the DSG transmission is amazing! Hope it lasts for 300K miles.
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  3. 1LIFE2LIVE

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    Curious if anyone has done the calculations or if there is a source to determine at what point you break even and start getting into the money vs. a gas vehicle?

    Locally, unleaded gas is at $ 3.17/gallon and diesel @ $3.99/gallon. I like diesels, just when crunching the numbers it doesn't seem to make economic sense to pay the premium to purchase the diesel along with the added cost of fuel.
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  4. Ritalin Boy

    Ritalin Boy Petroconsumptivitius

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    You have to factor in service costs as well which for modern diesels can be pricey but not as frequent. Oil changes are a biggie with diesels as they tend to have a larger sump and want special oil.

    For me every time I've run the numbers the break point comes around 100k.
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  5. A-Bone

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    I created a mileage spreadsheet driven by MPG and fuel price that gives you mileage-to-breakeven if you want me to send it to you... RB is right that other factors should be taken into consideration.. on the plus side for diesels: the residual values are usually significantly highter than gassers of the same make/model

    Believe it or not it is an almost $8,000 fuel cost savings over 200k miles if you move from a vehicle that gets 28mpg to 47mpg even if the fuel price is $.50 more per gallon.. I know it swings more than that, but that seems like the average differential lately..
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  6. twinjet

    twinjet Been here awhile

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    Definitely North Lebanon. (My commute is North to Lyme, NH)
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  7. Bueller

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    Yes. It it is almost always more miles than most brand new car purchasers will keep a car. Additionally, though you might not have an interest in a hybrid if mileage is what you are after to also have to look at those options, and then compare all of it to the kind of driving you do.

    When my commute was 100 - 150 miles a day, the TDI made sense. We had two of them. Now living in the city a Chevy Volt would make the most sense, but since I'm only driving 10,000 - 12,000 miles a year I opted to drive what I really enjoy and not worry about mileage. The miles I commute on a bike help offset the poor fuel mileage of the 4 wheel vehicles anyway.
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  8. jules083

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    I just did the rough math. I'm going to call maintaince the same on both, because it roughly is. Oil changes are more on the gassers because they call for one more often. The jetta only uses 5 quarts of rotella synthetic, at $5 per quart. Say $35 total every 10,000 miles. Every 100,000 I have a $700 timing belt due. I'm that time I've done $350 less oil changes than a gasser, plus whatever plugs and wires cost you.

    So here's the fuel cost. All are assuming the fuel price you posted:

    My jetta, avg 45mpg, is 9 cents per mile.

    My ranger, average 22mpg, is 15 cents per mile.

    A gas car averaging 32 mpg is 10 cents per mile.

    A gas car averaging 36 is 8 cents per mile.

    I think 32 mpg is a good estimate for a 'fuel efficient' gas car. Some do better on highway, but for overall driving on a little econobox that's probably as good as it gets IMO. For me, when I was buying, my most fuel efficient vehicle was getting around 18mpg. Buying my jetta, at the time, saved me around 10 cents per mile in fuel. I work construction, average daily commute is around 100 to 120 miles round trip. Say on a 100 mile day, I saved $10 per day. Normally work 6 days a week, so right there is $240 per month savings. That's not counting driving around after work, going places, etc. When I get to 100,000 on the car I'll have saved $10,000, which happens to be the purchase price. Also, my truck will have 100,000 less miles on it.

    As a side bonus its a lot more comfortable and easy to drive, which means a lot to me when driving a lot of miles each day.

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  9. NikonsAndVStroms

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    There's another factor, I think of the TDI as the middle performance choice in the VW line up. For the Golf you have 5 cyl, TDI, GTI, and Passat is the same thing with the VR6 at the top.
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  10. NSpooner

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    Glad to see this thread as the wifey and I are thinking of having our first kid this year and her Mini would have to go. I've been researching smallish wagons and this one keeps creeping to the top of my list. I had a MKV GTI a few years ago which I loved but I ended up only having it like 6 months because I changed jobs and I needed to get a different car. Seems like these are even more reliable than they were a few years back from my research which is great too. Luckily I don't need to do anything soon so I have time to drive all the cars on my list but it's good to hear of so many happy owners on here. Also my wife drives about 70 miles round trip for work every day which is all highway so the mileage would be great. Her Mini S gets about 32 which isn't bad either, there's just no way we could put a kid seat and all the other crap in that thing haha!
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  11. aceluck

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    Hey Bueller, what exactly is it that you drive that you really enjoy?:ear
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    Does anyone have the latest generation Jetta or Golf? My mother needs a new car and since I'm loving my VW so much she wants to check those 2 cars out but the big question is how are they in the snow?
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  13. PaulGinAZ

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    I have a Golf but alas I have to drive to snow.... well alas for your purposes at least. :D
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  14. NSpooner

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    In my 06 GTI it was great in the snow with all seasons and I had 18's on it. The stability control worked excellent too.
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  15. PoundSand

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    that's easy enough for the fuel itself. at those prices, diesel is 25.8% more expensive than gas, so you'd need to get 25.8% better mileage to break even on fuel; so at those prices, if you're comparing a gas car that gets 30mpg, you'd need to get 37.7mpg on diesel. make sure you're comparing apples - apples w/ regards to gas prices (i.e. if the gas car you're looking at requires premium, take that into account vs using prices for regular).

    if you want to factor in purchase price, you'd need to realize savings from the difference in mileage, and see if it offsets the added purchase price.
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  16. troidus

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    The benefit of diesel extends beyond fuel economy. Torque is the big one, as is high-altitude performance from the turbo.
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  17. jules083

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    The torque is nice. My jetta pulls nicely at 1800 or so, and pulls hard from 2200. I don't think I've ever dropped out of fifth on the highway, including a drive through the Virginia mountains. Guys in the rockies may differ.

    Longevity should be better as well, at least for the motor. There are guys on tdiclub claiming 500,000+ miles on original motors right now. I think one guy broke 700,000 if I remember right.

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  18. adam_c_eckhardt

    adam_c_eckhardt halfway there

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    My wife's Golf TDI does pretty well on slick roads, and we opted to skip the winter tires this year (too much going on, didn't want to move another set of wheels and tires, and easy enough to take my truck if the roads are bad.)

    I took it out to our build site which is up a pretty steep hill and it did just fine in our last snow storm. I imagine with a good set of winter tires that it'll make things easy.

    Get a price from Chris Farnham at Langhorn VW for your Mom. He's got screaming deals.
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  19. PaulS

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    +1 :deal
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  20. Bueller

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    a '13 Rubicon is the daily driver, a warmed over '08 Shelby is the 4 wheel toy. I'll forego pics so as not to upset the three very vocal people on Advrider who get their panties all in a bunch each time someone asks me to post photos :lol3