WA state mulls pay by mile tax

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  1. n16ht5

    n16ht5 ride the night

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  2. GrizzLee

    GrizzLee RubiKon Adventures

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    I hope we can shoot this down....
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  3. tod701

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    You can start by telling your Washington State Senator and both your Washington State House of Representatives members what you think.

    You can find them at here.

    www.leg.wa.gov
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  4. HH

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    Maybe motorcycles will be exempt. :evil
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  5. Tosh Togo

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    No way that'll happen, it's far more likely they'll just charge us a flat fee to any existing bikes (that can't/don't have a metering device installed), or mandate some other means to "encourage" us to give up, and go electric.

    Orygun's been flirting with this scheme too. :puke1

    Fuqueing government... while it's true that rising fuel efficiencies are reducing both states' $ intake via fuel taxes, instead of cutting spending, they're just scrambling to create new additional revenue streams. :boid
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  6. wanderlost

    wanderlost Been here awhile

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    It makes sense for users to pay for the roads we drive. In that sense gas taxes are pretty fair. They reflect a combo of miles and weight of the vehicles. Since heavier vehicles damage roads more they should pay more. It seems the easiest thing to do is just raise the gas tax a few cents to compensate for the fact that cars are using less for the same number of miles.

    That would also encourage people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles which would reduce pollution, dependence on foreign oil and be a lot simpler than some high tech invasive monitoring system. Simpler is better.

    Paul
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  7. guns_equal_freedom

    guns_equal_freedom Long timer

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    Did you bother to read the linked article?
    There are more fuel efficient cars operating in Washington than ever before.
    More people are using public transit.
    More people are operating hybrid vehicles.
    More people are operating alternative fuel powered vehicles.

    This means that there is less fuel being consumed in Washington State, ergo, less money in gas taxes are being collected.

    You want people to operate more fuel efficient vehicles and raise gas taxes?
    That's less money collected in gas taxes with the users of traditional fueled vehicle paying more.
    Your solution does nothing to address the loss of tax "income" which, by the way, will decrease when the new federal gas mileage standards come into play.

    We are tied with North Carolina in paying the highest state gas tax in the country (as of July 2012).
    You want us to pay more?

    Half of Washington State gas taxes are used to fund state "highways" to include the state ferry system.

    The other goes to cities, counties and other agencies for roadway programs that are not part of the state highway system.

    Gas taxes need to stop funding everything except motor vehicle infrastructure. No rail, no public transportation, no bike/walking paths.

    Public transportation fees (as paid by the user for a ticket) need to be taxed at the same rate as the gas tax.
    Everyone pays.

    The fees for using the state ferry system need to reflect actual costs.
    If it comes out that a ferry ride across the sound costs $45 a vehicle then so be it.

    Alternative fueled vehicles (electric, natural gas, bio-diesel for example) need to pay some sort of a fair use tax that equates to the going gas tax rate.

    Raising gas taxes is not the answer and neither is some sort of mileage monitoring system.

    Here are some "fair" ways to collect the needed money to pay for roads (feel free to add your own):

    1. Add a "use tax" to the cost of each vehicle at the time of sale in Washington State to include new, used and private party.

    2. Raise vehicle registration fees on all vehicles the same across the board.

    3. Reduce the spending on roads to reflect the income "earned" by the current gas tax. Set your budget based on how much money you have in your pocket.

    4. Income tax.
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  8. Maxacceleration

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    The government (on any level) can not spend smartly or efficiently.
    Therein lies the problem.
    Tax tax tax tax tax... Jesus
    Efficient but expensive fuel miser cars will cost us more in taxes ...who would of thought!

    Could you (anyone) even understand what you voted on this year?
    Even reasoning in the voters pamphlet, pro or con is double talk confusing.
    Lawyer speak meant to confuse. ...Grrr

    It will be so f***king complicated we won't know (and don't now) where our tax money goes.

    The fleecing continues.
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  9. Comrade Art

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    I hope this doesn't pass :eek1
    Next thing you know they'll hook up people with pedometer's
    and start taxing for walking, biking or running.
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  10. guns_equal_freedom

    guns_equal_freedom Long timer

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  11. Comrade Art

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    :rofl
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  12. grinns

    grinns Semper Fi

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    Remove the gas tax and I am all for it.
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  13. ObiJohn

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    If we're talking about maintaining roads, cars do very little in terms of wear and tear... unless they are using studded tires. So, tax the crap out of studded tires.

    Heavy trucks do 100x more damage to the road than cars, or more. Look at the ruts worn in I-5/I-405 in the lanes that trucks predominantly use. Many of those trucks aren't registered in WA, and many of them don't buy much, if any, fuel in WA. How are you going to make them pay? How about a weight tax on trucks? Pay it at the weigh stations.

    Finally, instead of trying to find new ways to come up with revenues, why not find some new ways to cut spending? There's a lot of spending that the state government does that are more about social engineering than proper government. Unfortunately, too many people want the government to meddle, and they want someone else to pay for it.
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    linkweewee tantum quantum

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    I wouldn't read whatever you're link is even if naked $1000.00 an hour hookers were handing out hundred dollar bills to snort 1/4 mile long lines of cocaine off of it.
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  15. advNZer?

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    in lil ol NZ owners of road going diesel vehicles pay a tax per km on diesel.The theory is that diesel is not taxed at the pump because a lot of diesel is bought there for NON road going vehicles.So diesel owners buy 1000 km at a time(up to 10000 km) winscreen labels on a sliding weight scale.lighter vehicles pay less(but the minimum is two tonnes) and big rigs pay more.
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  16. Wallowa

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    I am in my usual state of confusion but man I dig your style with the above quote.......

    Just my counterfeit .02 but more of anything given to the idiots running the gubberment is money poured down a rabbit hole...nobody ever seems to figure out that doing with less is more. Or 'Tantum Quantum', enough is enough..

    [Plus the HST quote seals the deal.]:brow
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  17. tod701

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    Keep in mind that there are people at the Washington State Department of Transportation that don't see roads as the primary reason for gas taxation, but instead view it as a social engineering tool.
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  18. HotChilliColdBeer

    HotChilliColdBeer Human Swizzle Stick

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    Toll roads?

    They seem to work elsewhere. I lived in New York, the Thruway is all tolls. Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey - they all toll extensively. The roads in those states get beat up pretty bad by Mother Nature, yet they're in massively better shape than I5/I90 here in Washington.

    You use it, you pay. You don't use it, you don't pay. Pretty straightforward if you ask me. It's an equal opportunity user fee - Bobby Big Rigger that doesn't stop for fuel in New York (thereby not paying a fuel tax), pays his share of road costs. Johnny Do Wrong with the clapped out rolling wreck and no money for insurance, stays off the road cause he can't afford the tolls. Yes, your PriusLeafTeslaEtc gets 5000 miles per volt, but you're still gonna need to help pay for the road. Yes, your 500 pound two wheeler doesn't do as much damage to the road as Granny's 72 Plymouth Fury III with studded tires, but you're still gonna need to help pay for the road.

    Just a thought.




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  19. Apple Jam

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    "By 2025, the federal government will require new cars to average 54.5 miles per gallon."
    Hmmmm....Where does my guzzling 990 fit into this scheme??

    "If you get too cold, I'll tax your heat,
    If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet
    ....Tax Man...."
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  20. grinns

    grinns Semper Fi

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    You'll be riding an electric bike in your yard long before then. :rofl
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