WABDR (Washington Backcountry Discovery Route) 2015

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by Roonie, Sep 15, 2010.

  1. munsterlander

    munsterlander Adventurer

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    Tomorrow I am heading over to a friends cabin for a few days near Loup Loup Pass. Taking my Vstrom DL650. Was thinking of trying the Loup Loup Canyon Road north to Conconully one day. I have not been on it before and have questions. Does this time of year present problems? (Weather should be decent.) I will be by myself and have read some reports that Ruby Grade can be intimidating, what do you think? (I figured on going south to north, then taking highway back south if time is short or I don't want to backtrack.) All advice is appreciated. I am mostly a road rider with little dirt experience.
  2. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    I'll bet at least part of it is still snowy.

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    Nice dogs, by the way.
  3. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    Snow will be your issue. You might get a few miles up some roads but it's barely April here... not foolin'.
  4. WSobchak

    WSobchak MoTard

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    we've got snow knee deep at about that elevation.

    I'll bet there is snow still.
  5. tomasv

    tomasv Check the Czech!

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    I was in Winthrop last weekend - everything in the open was snow free but as soon as there was a bit of shade there was still 1-2 feet of snow. So very unlikely you will be able to make it. We tried last year at the end of May and still had to turn around...
  6. munsterlander

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    You guys were right about the snow. I'd thought since it had been very warm in the area the last couple weeks it might be okay. I've been on other roads in the area quite a bit, usually when they are really dusty... not the problem this time. There was some muddy areas and a few bits of snow along the way in the most shaded spots, like this:[​IMG]
    But then just before the top and beginning of heading down Ruby Grade (I was travelling south to north) I ran into this which turned me around... trees across the road and deeper snow. [​IMG]
    So I turned around and took Salmon Creek Road to Ruby and on to Conconully and beyond, no snow on those roads, just some muddy stuff here and there.
  7. michaelyogi

    michaelyogi Been here awhile

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    It started snowing in November... it stopped snowing in February... it'll take more than a couple of warm weeks for the snow to go away... it's still freezing here at night and I'm at 2200'. Also there will be a lots of trees down this year... snow got heavy in early January.
    Could possibly be an early summer season though...
  8. DockingPilot

    DockingPilot Hooked Up and Hard Over

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    You fellas need the snow pack. Hopefully the wild fires won't be a problem this year for you.


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  9. trippda

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    My line gear, saw, and Pulaski are ready for it.


    ohhh the tradeoffs we live with, if parts aint closed from snow, parts are closed from fire.
  10. byways

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    A career with a future, unfortunately.
  11. SuperD!

    SuperD! Been here awhile

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    On the subject of snow & downed trees, do you guys think Stevenson to Ellensburg will be clear by late May/early June?
  12. JoshBMW

    JoshBMW Been here awhile

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    Proably not.

    It was not last year at that time.
  13. Uller

    Uller Long timer

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    Purely based on my observations while riding snowmobiles, this years riding season will come early compared to last year.

    Could change if we get a lot of new snow but, the current snowpack is really low up to around 6,000 ft. I would guess that another month and a half of warm weather will be all it takes to clear most of it out (maybe some patches on NE aspects still).

    If I recall correctly we still had a large amount of snow into late June/July last year.
  14. WSobchak

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    We're still above average snow pack up here (Northern most section of the WABDR).

    Snowed yesterday, we got about 2" at around 4k feet.
  15. Maddaddy

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    Snow meters near the route are on the page 1 interactive map.
  16. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Had a talk with a WDFW agent last week; he said the north end of Mission Creek Road (FR9712) has been tank-trapped at the Peavine intersection. This is about four miles south of Cashmere. The Forest Circus has a new, lower gate just off the end of the paved road heading south of Cashmere, so I can't drive up there and check.
    May not be bike passable anyway, due to trees down from the fire and more spring flooding. I'll get the XR250 out and check, but since I work this Saturday and plan to go turkey hunting Sunday it may be a while.


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  17. EntiatRider

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    Well, my boy and I spent some time exploring the south facing slopes of T
    the lower Entiat. The FS has the majority of the roads closed where the road is shaded and has deeper snow. There are exceptions and those were fun! Entiat Ridge is still heavily buried in snow, so it will be a while on the north facing, upper elevations. I want to connect all the dots on the Discovery Route, but the end of June or early July is what I expect for those few high passes to be open. I hope the weather prooves me wrong.
  18. SvenTomas

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    Last year (which I know is not this year) we checked various sources every day it seemed and were poised to leave whenever (from Stevenson near our Klickitat county home). July 4 was finally the day and we still had to re-route a little bit between Stevenson and Packwood.
  19. roostar

    roostar Been here awhile

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    Is anyone planning a group ride on this route this year. Thinking of going solo if not. Just askin.
  20. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Stupid Forest Circus government anus lickers!!! Mrs1911fan and I rode south out of Cashmere, out to the end of pavement at the start of 7100, and I have bad news. There's a gate about a mile in, with this sign next to it:
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    So we ride around the gate (which i was told was legal) and ride along to the intersection at Peavine Canyon, inspecting the 'roadwork' along the way. Looks like they let somebody's kid play with a Cat. Big rolling waterbars, but not armored at all, which was why I was told the lower section of the road was "temporarily closed". Bullshit. There's no new gravel, and those waterbars won't last long in a good flood.
    When riding by the Devil's Gulch trailhead, I noticed two signs on the bridge across the creek- should have taken a pic. One said the trail was closed due to fire danger, and one said that there were "miles of downed trees" though from ride reports I'm not sure how true that is. They are left over from last fall, I'm sure.

    So we get up to the Peavine/7100 intersection, and unfortunately my information is correct. Gate has been pulled, and there's a hella tank trap where it was. For reference, Mrs1911fan is 5'9" without riding boots on. I'm about eight feet below her, and she's standing on the narrow ledge that I might ride the XL250R through. The section that winds around the end of the berm is maybe 10-12" wide, and drops several feet into the creek if you goof.
    [​IMG].[​IMG]

    And from the south side, near where the gate useta was:
    [​IMG]

    which may be a better indication of how big-bike unfriendly this section is. Both sides are pretty steep.

    I'm pissed as hell about this. If they'd just left it alone, it would still be big-bike rideable, at least it was last fall before the fires. I've been told they are too short on money to repair the big washout, but I'd like to know how much time and equipment hours were wasted pulling the gate and digging this fucking hole. This, after conversations with Bob Stoehr at the Forest Service, who has not been returning my calls for three weeks now. During those conversations last winter, we discussed the WABDR, and he told me that they might be able to make the washed-out section a little safer for two wheels and horses. His direct line at the office is 509-548-2579 if you'd like to ask him about it.
    Based on what I see, they have NO intention of removing the lower gate, or ever fixing the road south of the Peavine intersection.
    So, if you're riding the WABDR, I'd recommend taking the workaround from the Beehive Reservoir area, through Wenatchee, and then... maybe... over Number Two Canyon, down Peavine, and out Mission Creek into Cashmere. Maybe, because the same .fed guy who told me about the tank trap also told me that the gate at the top of Number Two Canyon might stay closed forever. The gate at the bottom of Peavine, at Mission Creek Road/FR7100, is closed. So you might have to ride through Wenatchee and slab it to Cashmere, then just pick up the WABDR at Highway Two and Nahahum Canyon.
    You know, if you roll about 10 miles more, you could be in Leavenworth annoying Bob. Might be worth it.


    1911fan