War time hacks

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by fyr, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    Update:
    Finally had phone contact with the bike owner tonight and have made arrangements to look at the old WW2 BMW next week.
    The currant owner purchased 90+ acres of forested CA. property a couple years ago. The previous owner had collected junk for a life time and filled the property with old "stuff". The present owner has spent the past year just clearing junk off the property.
    The old BMW / sidecar in question was stored inside an old semi tractor trailer for who knows how long.
    His care taker on the property has been reorganizing things so hopefully the old bike / sidecar is all there and accounted for.
    I am truly looking forward to the archeological "dig' next week.
    I'll be sure and take my camera...and probably my checkbook too....:lol3
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  2. Thermos

    Thermos Been here awhile

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    :lurk Interested to see how this turns out.

    -Tom
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  3. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    Man, Id be pacing and loosing lots of sleep. I am hoping this works out for you bmwh'kr! Its like Christmas for adults...

    Waiting patiently for your good news!:evil
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  4. RRVT

    RRVT Wild and Crazy Guy

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    This is a very interesting thread. I didn't realize there were so many of these German bikes around. Back in the 80s when I still lived in Slovakia, my friend was working for the Koliba TV studio in Bratislava. He once showed me around the props warehouse and I saw a couple of R75s. That was the only time I saw them. Riding one of these back then would've been considered bad taste since they were used by the occupying forces during WWII. Soldiers riding in those were like sitting ducks and usually the first to be killed. The resistance fighters (partisans) would sometimes set up a steel wire across the road, high enough to decapitate the rider and when the bike went off the road, they would attack the rest of the crew.

    This is a true story that happened in my grandfather's hometown towards the end of WWII. A young German officer and his private were riding one of these bikes and were attacked and killed by the local partisans. The officer was the son of a high rank general and the father showed up with a whole army unit and lined up all men and boys older than 10. My grandfather and two uncles were in the line. He was threatening to shoot every 10th person from the line unless somebody gave him information leading to capturing the partisans. Luckily the local doctor happened to be German and he managed to talk the general out of going ahead with that. After the war when communists took over and started doing purges and fabricated trials just like Stalin did, the doctor was accused of being a collaborator. So the poor guy was sentenced to hard labor and ended up spending many years working in uranium mines. That's what he got for saving 20+ lives.
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  5. tony the tiger

    tony the tiger Long timer

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  6. gspell68

    gspell68 Long timer

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    Just to clear up a few errors and throw out some other other facts:
    1) The R-71 was a 750cc bike (someone said a 600cc) that was the grandfather of M-72's and CJ-750's (not the R-75 as someone said).
    2) The R-71 was never used by the German military (except in minor, non-tactical, homeland defense roles in the same way US Army would use a Ford Econoline van!). Plus, ever notice that the KS-750's frame is one big piece of stamped steel and the R-75's frame is a bunch of bolt-joined sections?!?!? Welding technology was in it's infancy and the tubular steel frame was still not up to off-road rigors (The Germans knew this when they gave the plans to the Soviets, but the Rooskies welded in gussets at the weak joints). Plus, the Army was already heavily vested in flexible steel framed R-12 whose drive parts weren't really interchangeable with the R-71. The R-71 was already obsolete during it's production and was the last flathead BMW ever designed!!! Olny about 3,500 were ever made.
    3) The KS-750 and R-75 weren't designed concurrently. Zundapp (who probably copied theirs from the Gnome & Rhone AX2 design or that other Belgian factory I can't remember right now) rolled out their rig well before BMW even had an R-75 assembly line. The Germans wanted BMW to start producing the Zundapp design, but BMW insisted they could make their own version in a timely manner. The R-75 was the first motorcycle with hydraulic brakes.
    4) The K-750 from the KMZ (later Dnepr) factory in Kiev, Ukraine was merely a suspension improvement of the R-71/M-72's plunger frame to cope with harsh Russian terrain and had nothing in common with the German rigs. The rear swingarm remained the same on every Dnepr bike until the factory closed. The front leading link fork design flopped though. The engine had a few minor upgrades that boosted it up by a whopping 4hp over the M-72! Yeehaw!!! In the 1960's Dnepr came out with a gearbox that had a reverse and an awesome auto-clutching feature. They also had 2WD versions, but as I understand, there was little in common with the German design. Later the Dnepr 2WD was full-time, not a locking diff like the Ural, Zundapp, or BMW.
    5) No post-war KS-750's or R-75's were made probably because the factories were destroyed and there were Allied enforced displacement restrictions on motorcycles. I read that there were about 100 civilian model R-75's made in 1948 from leftover parts, though.
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  7. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    RRVT, Thanks for sharing that story!

    gspell68- Great info. I absolutely love hearing about all of these bikes.

    bmwhacker...............:ear
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  8. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    I'm quietly and patiently counting down the days:happay.....Tuesday, around noon, is meeting time. :D I've even located the location via Google Earth so I know exactly where I'm going...:clap..it's kind of out in the sticks.
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  9. D.Bachtel

    D.Bachtel Been here awhile

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    Well....

    If you need storage out here in California or help transporting you know how to reach me. Hope this one isn't ______!

    Don in Nipomo
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  10. pfestus1

    pfestus1 Slasher

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    :ear:lurk
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  11. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    Gettin' closer.....I've been brushing up on WW2 BMW model identities.
    Hopefully I won't need my Chinese / Russian Dictionary....:lol3
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  12. Winterbiker

    Winterbiker Sidecarist

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    Here my two cents ...two pics... to this thread!


    Winterbiker
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  13. RRVT

    RRVT Wild and Crazy Guy

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    Those are very cool. I like that your riding gear matches the character of the bikes.
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  14. GreatWhiteNorth

    GreatWhiteNorth Long timer

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    We've all seen German and Russian WWII military sidecar rigs, but were there Harley Davidson sidecar rigs built and actually used operationally? I've only seen HD motorcycles alone; i.e. without sidecars.
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  15. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    Очень плохой двор орнаментом.
    Этот мотоцикл не стоит порошка чтобы взорвать его в ад.
    (Very bad yard ornament.
    This bike is not worth the powder to blow it to hell.)

    Я не уверен, что это такое .... может быть, IMZ или Dpner?
    (I'm not sure what it is .... may be, IMZ or Dpner?)

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    Кадр коляской, возможно, какое-то значение для кого-то?
    (Sidecar frame, perhaps some value to someone?)

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    Кто-то в прошлом написал "BMW" на поршень с волшебным маркером ... вот как нынешний владелец решил, что это был BMW.
    (Someone wrote in the past "BMW" on the piston with a magic marker ... Here, as the current owner has decided that it was BMW._

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    Итак, я предложил вернуться и haulit далеко за стоимость моего газа прийти и получить его. Даже, что это растяжение ее «ценность.
    (So, I offered to come back and haul it away the cost of my gas to come and get it. Even that is stretching its "value.)

    Так много для моего мечтает о ценных "сарай найти" ... все я нашел, было навоза на сарае пол ...:lol3

    (So much for my dreams of a valuable "barn find" ... All I found was the manure on the barn floor ...)
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  16. D.Bachtel

    D.Bachtel Been here awhile

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    OK....
    Translate please, my Russian is a little weak.
    Did you buy it or what! :eek1


    Don in Nipomo
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  17. D.Bachtel

    D.Bachtel Been here awhile

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    Looks like a promising project to me! :1drink
    Something about the way it's all tarted up with red paint.

    Drop the pieces off in my front yard, I'll sort it out.
    I could use some more parts...

    What exactly is it or is that yet to be determined.


    Don in Nipomo
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  18. bmwhacker

    bmwhacker Still on 3 wheels

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    Old Russian POS. I don't think there is any way to date those things. I'm not sure what it is but not a BMW.
    A guy with a lot of time and money might be able to graft a different engine into it.
    A lot of things missing and the engine was a rusted up mess.
    Only way i would haul it home was for free.
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  19. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    Well.....
    I read your sig line. It has two wheels...:D
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  20. zundappuk

    zundappuk Adventurer

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    Thats a shame,=.

    Looks like an early-mid Russian M72. A lot better than the Chinese version, and starting to get a following. Could be worth a go provided the price is right.....

    Best

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